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Post by electron58 on Feb 27, 2024 18:52:07 GMT
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Post by habsalways on Feb 28, 2024 1:50:14 GMT
Still, trading co-captain Chris Chelios & a 2nd round pick (#39-Michael Pomichter) for a washed up Denis Savard was not a well thought out trade. Hindsight is wonderful ... the 2 yrs prior to joining the Habs, Savard average 1.5 ppg ... ie 120pts in 80gp. The year before the trade he also had 22pts in 20 playoff games. So there were zero indications his game was about to fall off the face of the earth other than missing 40 games between those two seasons and no reason for anybody at the time thinking otherwise. If he had come back health and managed the same pace, it would have easily made him the highest scoring Hab of the late 80s and early 90s. So to say we traded Chelios for a "Washed up Savard" was not at all what anyone thought at the time.
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Post by habsalways on Feb 28, 2024 1:55:19 GMT
Chelios tried to take a leak outside a bar and the local cops didn't think that was cool. He was traded the next day. A well thought out tactical move by Hab management. Trading Guhle because he could be our best LH defensive prospect may be a better reason than trading him for public urination but I am not a big fan of either reason. There was were some rumours as well of legal issues with underage girls. And the urination piece leaves out the apparent altercation with a prostitute that occurred as well.
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Post by RCAF48 on Feb 28, 2024 3:48:12 GMT
It also leaves out numerous other internet rumours concerning Chelios and numerous other Montreal players on the 89/90 team. The urination incident comes from the police charge report in Madison which mentions another NHL player hitting a police officer during the arrest (that Calgary player wasn't traded ) but no mention of a prostitute. Maybe a prostitute was involved in his 1984 or 2009 arrests but I didn't see any record of one. I apologize for any factual errors.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 28, 2024 11:30:38 GMT
Sean Monahan had a goal and an assist for the Winnipeg Jets, who won their fourth straight game with a 4-2 victory against the St. Louis Blues at Canada Life Centre on Tuesday.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 28, 2024 16:20:03 GMT
Still, trading co-captain Chris Chelios & a 2nd round pick (#39-Michael Pomichter) for a washed up Denis Savard was not a well thought out trade. Hindsight is wonderful ... the 2 yrs prior to joining the Habs, Savard average 1.5 ppg ... ie 120pts in 80gp. The year before the trade he also had 22pts in 20 playoff games. So there were zero indications his game was about to fall off the face of the earth other than missing 40 games between those two seasons and no reason for anybody at the time thinking otherwise. If he had come back health and managed the same pace, it would have easily made him the highest scoring Hab of the late 80s and early 90s. So to say we traded Chelios for a "Washed up Savard" was not at all what anyone thought at the time. Odd trade though we had enough offence at the time not to mention a future hall of fame Dman is worth more to me than Mr Spinorama ever would have been. I am a firm believer that you win cups with Defence they even had to go pick up washed up Rob Ramage afterwards to shore up our defence.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 28, 2024 16:39:32 GMT
Sean Monahan had a goal and an assist for the Winnipeg Jets, who won their fourth straight game with a 4-2 victory against the St. Louis Blues at Canada Life Centre on Tuesday. Sean Monahan with goal #19 (6th in 9 games w. Winnipeg.)
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Post by maasart on Feb 28, 2024 17:46:54 GMT
Hindsight is wonderful ... the 2 yrs prior to joining the Habs, Savard average 1.5 ppg ... ie 120pts in 80gp. The year before the trade he also had 22pts in 20 playoff games. So there were zero indications his game was about to fall off the face of the earth other than missing 40 games between those two seasons and no reason for anybody at the time thinking otherwise. If he had come back health and managed the same pace, it would have easily made him the highest scoring Hab of the late 80s and early 90s. So to say we traded Chelios for a "Washed up Savard" was not at all what anyone thought at the time. Odd trade though we had enough offence at the time not to mention a future hall of fame Dman is worth more to me than Mr Spinorama ever would have been. I am a firm believer that you win cups with Defence they even had to go pick up washed up Rob Ramage afterwards to shore up our defence. Uh...we had almost no offence when we traded for Savard. We had Courtnall, Richer, Corson. Good quality players but 60-75 point players on average. The rest of our forwards were guys like Carbonneau, McPhee, Keane, etc. Savard at 9 straight seasons of over 100 points (prorated) would have been a huge boost. No one could have forseen him falling off a cliff although Burns' defense-first system was not a good place for him. Im not sure how Ramage factors in - that was like 3 or 4 years later, after we had moved guys like Desjardins too. I think Schneider was hurt & maybe Brisebois too the year we picked up ramage for spare parts.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 28, 2024 20:54:24 GMT
Odd trade though we had enough offence at the time not to mention a future hall of fame Dman is worth more to me than Mr Spinorama ever would have been. I am a firm believer that you win cups with Defence they even had to go pick up washed up Rob Ramage afterwards to shore up our defence. Uh...we had almost no offence when we traded for Savard. We had Courtnall, Richer, Corson. Good quality players but 60-75 point players on average. The rest of our forwards were guys like Carbonneau, McPhee, Keane, etc. Savard at 9 straight seasons of over 100 points (prorated) would have been a huge boost. No one could have forseen him falling off a cliff although Burns' defense-first system was not a good place for him. Im not sure how Ramage factors in - that was like 3 or 4 years later, after we had moved guys like Desjardins too. I think Schneider was hurt & maybe Brisebois too the year we picked up ramage for spare parts. So as this was all a long time ago I went back to get my facts straight! We did get him a season or two before I recalled and he was good for those two seasons but the year before we got him Richer was a 50 goal player and Cortnall and the gang were doing ok as well! Still don't see the big need for him? When we won the cup we had Damphouse Bellows and Muller added to the roster and we had Ramage who was brought in to give us D depth that is how he factors in...... in my mind if we still had Chelios we would have had an even better D corps and as Savard was pretty much a non factor getting only 5 assists in the 14 playoff games he played in our cup run we probably would have been fine without him. All this is not to say Savard was not one of the greats he was 100% a special player we just did not need him as much as a Norris winning Dman.
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Post by electron58 on Mar 2, 2024 22:26:54 GMT
Sean Monahan had a goal and an assist for the Winnipeg Jets, who won their fourth straight game with a 4-2 victory against the St. Louis Blues at Canada Life Centre on Tuesday. Sean Monahan with goal #19 (6th in 9 games w. Winnipeg.) Sean Monahan scored the tiebreaking goal with 3:13 left and the Winnipeg Jets rallied from a three-goal deficit in the third period to beat the Carolina Hurricanes 5-3 on Saturday. Definitely paying big dividends. (Maybe he was the best center available.?
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Post by electron58 on Mar 9, 2024 23:34:58 GMT
Jake Allen will need to get a work visa before reporting to New Jersey. Possibly middle of next week.
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Post by HTL on Mar 10, 2024 19:38:01 GMT
How the mighty have fallen,,,
Svechnikov - Aho - Teravainen Noesen - Drury - Necas Martinook - Staal - Jarvis Kotkaniemi - Kuznetsov - Fast
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Post by regis on Mar 10, 2024 20:05:00 GMT
☝️ He scored saturday night and two assists Sunday
Hope he liked that $20 signing bonus
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Post by electron58 on Mar 12, 2024 14:58:54 GMT
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Post by HTL on Mar 13, 2024 17:26:49 GMT
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Post by regis on Mar 13, 2024 17:33:55 GMT
👆Detroit’s lost 6 in a row Chiarot and Petry were a -4 against the sabres 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by maasart on Mar 13, 2024 18:25:20 GMT
👆Detroit’s lost 6 in a row Chiarot and Petry were a -4 against the sabres 🤦🏻♂️ that was never a great pairing & they are older now. I think both can be effective when used in the right situations/right partner but this is not it...
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Post by maasart on Mar 14, 2024 14:16:30 GMT
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Post by electron58 on Mar 15, 2024 17:38:05 GMT
Jake Allen made 35 saves in his debut with the New Jersey Devils, who defeated the Dallas Stars 6-2 at American Airlines Center on Thursday.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Mar 15, 2024 18:26:21 GMT
Jake Allen made 35 saves in his debut with the New Jersey Devils, who defeated the Dallas Stars 6-2 at American Airlines Center on Thursday. Nice!
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