RCAF48
Captain Kirk
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Post by RCAF48 on Nov 8, 2023 2:18:42 GMT
^^^^^ IMO a good hit on #20, no instigator penalty was actually called on #72 and #22 received a tripping penalty = TB PP. Otherwise your comments spot on. However, I do agree that the officiating is inconsistent.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 8, 2023 3:42:35 GMT
^^^^^ IMO a good hit on #20, no instigator penalty was actually called on #72 and #22 received a tripping penalty = TB PP. Otherwise your comments spot on. However, I do agree that the officiating is inconsistent.
1. Area of the ice where it occurred made the Jeannot hit dangerous.
2. Pierre Houde on RDS announced Xhekaj got an instigator, so I took him at his word for that.
3. Reffing was crap the rest of the way afterwards as well. The call on Evans was soft, and the double minor on Xhekaj while only calling 2 on Jeannot in the later scrum was also weak.
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Post by HTL on Nov 10, 2023 3:27:10 GMT
I would be willing to bet money that goal that went in off the Wings hand would have been called back if it was scored on the Leafs or Bruins.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 10, 2023 3:44:20 GMT
I would be willing to bet money that goal that went in off the Wings hand would have been called back if it was scored on the Leafs or Bruins. Yeah, that looked suspicious. The rule (67.6) states that a goal should not be allowed if the player bats or directs the puck with his hand into the net directly or deflects it off someone else into the net. It states that a goal should be allowed if it is a "clear deflection off a glove."
Now in this case, Fischer moves his hand slightly towards the net as he hits the puck. To me, it's pretty clear there was a directing of the puck towards the net. It was not an incidental deflection and it certainly wasn't a "clear" deflection. The player was facing the puck and makes a movement with his hand. To me, that's directing, even if he doesn't use a lot of force to push it in... so by the book, that should have been no goal.
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Post by ChiLla on Nov 10, 2023 9:30:40 GMT
I would be willing to bet money that goal that went in off the Wings hand would have been called back if it was scored on the Leafs or Bruins. Yeah, that looked suspicious. The rule (67.6) states that a goal should not be allowed if the player bats or directs the puck with his hand into the net directly or deflects it off someone else into the net. It states that a goal should be allowed if it is a "clear deflection off a glove."
Now in this case, Fischer moves his hand slightly towards the net as he hits the puck. To me, it's pretty clear there was a directing of the puck towards the net. It was not an incidental deflection and it certainly wasn't a "clear" deflection. The player was facing the puck and makes a movement with his hand. To me, that's directing, even if he doesn't use a lot of force to push it in... so by the book, that should have been no goal.
No doubt, I'm obviously biased but to me it looks like he moved his hand to give the puck a nudge to change its direction. And if you have to re-watch the situation several times from various angles before you come to a verdict, by definition it just can't be a "clear" deflection.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 10, 2023 12:44:47 GMT
I would be willing to bet money that goal that went in off the Wings hand would have been called back if it was scored on the Leafs or Bruins. Yeah, that looked suspicious. The rule (67.6) states that a goal should not be allowed if the player bats or directs the puck with his hand into the net directly or deflects it off someone else into the net. It states that a goal should be allowed if it is a "clear deflection off a glove." Now in this case, Fischer moves his hand slightly towards the net as he hits the puck. To me, it's pretty clear there was a directing of the puck towards the net. It was not an incidental deflection and it certainly wasn't a "clear" deflection. The player was facing the puck and makes a movement with his hand. To me, that's directing, even if he doesn't use a lot of force to push it in... so by the book, that should have been no goal.
No doubt, I'm obviously biased but to me it looks like he moved his hand to give the puck a nudge to change its direction. And if you have to re-watch the situation several times from various angles before you come to a verdict, by definition it just can't be a "clear" deflection.
Right. To me, a clear deflection would be the guy has his back turned to the puck and it bounces off him and he clearly didn't see where it was or he was standing in front of the net and a D man takes a shot that deflects off his glove on the way in. This was a player facing the rebound as it hits his glove and where the player makes a movement with his hand towards the net. I don't think Fischer meant to reach out to purposely glove the puck, I think that's just where the rebound took it. But he pretty clearly sees the puck and directs it towards the net. That without a doubt should have been no goal. Not really even sure why any handling of the puck is allowed to score a goal to be honest. You can't make any sort of glove pass to score (ie if the puck had accidentally hit Fischer's hand and it had bounced to his teammate to pop in, that's a hand pass that by rule should have been blown down). So I don't know why you'd be allowed to put the puck in the net with your glove. The NHL should just make the rule "use your hand as the last thing to touch the puck before it goes in and it's no goal." Much more objective. But the league loves ambiguous rules where they can make things up as they go. The less clear the rules are, the more they can just claim things are open for interpretation and decide what they want.
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Post by HTL on Nov 10, 2023 13:34:37 GMT
Crap like that just enforces the notion that there are two sets of rules. One for the teams that hold favour by refs and the NHL, and another for the teams they have a bias towards. Maybe they should be investigated for posssible gambling involvement? Sure are some fishy calls out there.
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Post by ChiLla on Nov 10, 2023 13:41:44 GMT
^^ As always, it's the inconsistency that bothers me the most. Mistakes are inevitable, especially in a highly dynamic and fast-paced game like hockey, so why not try and alleviate at least some of that by a fixed set of non-negotiable rules? Similar to the automatic DOG penalty, all goals scored where the puck was last touched with a glove or skate could be automatically disallowed. Bam, no more grey areas and unnecessary discussions about "distinct kicking motions" or "clear deflections", which are often judgment calls anyway.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 15, 2023 5:23:58 GMT
Vegas Golden Knights forward Paul Cotter was ejected for an illegal check to the head of Washington Capitals center Evgeny Kuznetsov during the teams’ game Tuesday night and could face a suspension.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 15, 2023 5:26:34 GMT
Edmonton Oilers forward Leon Draisaitl was fined $5,000 on Tuesday for a dangerous trip on New York Islanders centre Bo Horvat. Draisaitl received a two-minute minor for the trip on Horvat in the second period of the Oilers' 4-1 win on Monday night. He appeared to cross-checks Horvat's leg as players fought for the puck along the boards.
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Post by HTL on Nov 17, 2023 15:15:56 GMT
Typical make it up as you go reffing once again last night vs Vegas. As if they need any help.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 19, 2023 16:21:36 GMT
Edmonton Oilers forward Adam Erne has been fined $2,018.23, the maximum allowable under the collective bargaining agreements for elbowing Pierre-Edouard Bellemare of the Seattle Kraken.
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Post by HTL on Nov 19, 2023 16:28:22 GMT
Edmonton Oilers forward Adam Erne has been fined $2,018.23, the maximum allowable under the collective bargaining agreements for elbowing Pierre-Edouard Bellemare of the Seattle Kraken. There goes his betting money for next week.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 26, 2023 2:28:38 GMT
Jacob Trouba, who is a dirty dirty player at baseline, with a two-handed slash to the side of Trent Frederic's head.
Do we all agree this should be at least a 25-game suspension, maybe even 40 or 82? Not sure how this is any different than what Marty McSorley did to Brashear (which led to a 1-year suspension and criminal charges) or what Perezhogin did to Garrett Stafford in the AHL (which garnered him the rest of the AHL playoffs and an entire season suspension thereafter).
This is completely unacceptable and dangerous, from a player with a history of dangerous hits. NHL needs to send a message about this and they can't be calling in favors to their beloved Rangers the way Joe Thornton says they always do.
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Post by HTL on Nov 26, 2023 2:40:52 GMT
Jacob Trouba, who is a dirty dirty player at baseline, with a two-handed slash to the side of Trent Frederic's head. Do we all agree this should be at least a 25-game suspension, maybe even 40 or 82? Not sure how this is any different than what Marty McSorley did to Brashear (which led to a 1-year suspension and criminal charges) or what Perezhogin did to Garrett Stafford in the AHL (which garnered him the rest of the AHL playoffs and an entire season suspension thereafter). This is completely unacceptable and dangerous, from a player with a history of dangerous hits. NHL needs to send a message about this and they can't be calling in favors to their beloved Rangers the way Joe Thornton says they always do. Don't hold your breath. You need to be a gambler to get that type of suspension. Attempted murder is only a slap on the wrist in this League.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 26, 2023 3:40:16 GMT
Trouba gets a 5k fine. Not even a hearing. No suspension. What a joke. Thornton was right... league favors the Rangers and Bruins over all other teams.
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Post by kinot3 on Nov 26, 2023 18:35:26 GMT
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Post by HTL on Nov 26, 2023 21:15:26 GMT
Pretty ugly. Did he even get a penalty for that? I guess because the guy didn't drop to the ice the zebras just ignored it. They're more concerned with the little things like a tap on the stick.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 27, 2023 4:43:59 GMT
Jacob Trouba, who is a dirty dirty player at baseline, with a two-handed slash to the side of Trent Frederic's head. Do we all agree this should be at least a 25-game suspension, maybe even 40 or 82? Not sure how this is any different than what Marty McSorley did to Brashear (which led to a 1-year suspension and criminal charges) or what Perezhogin did to Garrett Stafford in the AHL (which garnered him the rest of the AHL playoffs and an entire season suspension thereafter). This is completely unacceptable and dangerous, from a player with a history of dangerous hits. NHL needs to send a message about this and they can't be calling in favors to their beloved Rangers the way Joe Thornton says they always do. Don't hold your breath. You need to be a gambler to get that type of suspension. Attempted murder is only a slap on the wrist in this League. Definitely didn't have control of his stick and one could even argue that it was intentional. Either way it should have been a suspendable offense. Dirty players will do what dirty players will do. Until they are punished for their offenses, they'll continue to play dirty. Should have gotten 5 games minimum. Just re-inforces their bush league ratings.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 27, 2023 4:44:14 GMT
Minnesota Wild forward Ryan Hartman will have a hearing on Monday for slew-footing/tripping Detroit Red Wings forward Alex DeBrincat.
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