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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 21, 2024 11:53:00 GMT
So Gally and his huge contract and the fact he has an a on his shirt is not going to play? Not likely! he is a lost cause but there is no way they just leave him sitting! Yup. As I said, this is what I would do, not what I think the Habs will do. We played a lot better when Gallagher was suspended, and unlike some of the other guys, there's little value in playing Gallagher. At least Pearson and Armia and Evans have a shot at being traded. Maybe Anderson will get some trade value back as his contract winds down and he has less term left. I can't see anyone taking Gallagher unless we take an equally-bad contract back. Zero value to the line-up, zero value to our future, zero value to making a trade... so yeah, if it were my choice, he'd sit, and I frankly wouldn't be against sending him to the minors next year.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 21, 2024 13:52:55 GMT
So Gally and his huge contract and the fact he has an a on his shirt is not going to play? Not likely! he is a lost cause but there is no way they just leave him sitting! Yup. As I said, this is what I would do, not what I think the Habs will do. We played a lot better when Gallagher was suspended, and unlike some of the other guys, there's little value in playing Gallagher. At least Pearson and Armia and Evans have a shot at being traded. Maybe Anderson will get some trade value back as his contract winds down and he has less term left. I can't see anyone taking Gallagher unless we take an equally-bad contract back. Zero value to the line-up, zero value to our future, zero value to making a trade... so yeah, if it were my choice, he'd sit, and I frankly wouldn't be against sending him to the minors next year. For sure. Shut Gallagher down for the rest of the year and give him one more opportunity next year. Have to start playing some of these fringe players and see what we have. Probably won't happen tho.
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Post by claremont on Feb 21, 2024 14:30:30 GMT
So Gally and his huge contract and the fact he has an a on his shirt is not going to play? Not likely! he is a lost cause but there is no way they just leave him sitting! Yup. As I said, this is what I would do, not what I think the Habs will do. We played a lot better when Gallagher was suspended, and unlike some of the other guys, there's little value in playing Gallagher. At least Pearson and Armia and Evans have a shot at being traded. Maybe Anderson will get some trade value back as his contract winds down and he has less term left. I can't see anyone taking Gallagher unless we take an equally-bad contract back. Zero value to the line-up, zero value to our future, zero value to making a trade... so yeah, if it were my choice, he'd sit, and I frankly wouldn't be against sending him to the minors next year. Unless Gally has an attitude problem of checking out on the team, I don't believe in the team cultural sense that you can do that to a committed veteran. That is one tough management conversation. Management has to be committed to winning, continuous improvement, doing what is best for the team. I get your point this is a paid professional, and there is no entitlement, earn your spot. This seemed to be the downfall of Bergevin as he was a players manager that fell in love with certain types of players. This is a new regime, but I don't envy HuGo into having to perhaps make a potential tough call - can go either way on morale. Just because you were drafted high, or a prospect, doesn't mean you should just be given a roster spot / playing opportunity either. I really don't see much point in playing Pezzetta. After 150 games in the NHL, we know what he is and is not. IMO he's interim filler until someone more talented comes up.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 21, 2024 14:46:55 GMT
So Gally and his huge contract and the fact he has an a on his shirt is not going to play? Not likely! he is a lost cause but there is no way they just leave him sitting! Yup. As I said, this is what I would do, not what I think the Habs will do. We played a lot better when Gallagher was suspended, and unlike some of the other guys, there's little value in playing Gallagher. At least Pearson and Armia and Evans have a shot at being traded. Maybe Anderson will get some trade value back as his contract winds down and he has less term left. I can't see anyone taking Gallagher unless we take an equally-bad contract back. Zero value to the line-up, zero value to our future, zero value to making a trade... so yeah, if it were my choice, he'd sit, and I frankly wouldn't be against sending him to the minors next year. I agree 100% he is pretty much zero value to us right now and more of a drag! I did not notice this was more of a hypothetical line up than what we actually have to deal with.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 22, 2024 1:58:27 GMT
Yup. As I said, this is what I would do, not what I think the Habs will do. We played a lot better when Gallagher was suspended, and unlike some of the other guys, there's little value in playing Gallagher. At least Pearson and Armia and Evans have a shot at being traded. Maybe Anderson will get some trade value back as his contract winds down and he has less term left. I can't see anyone taking Gallagher unless we take an equally-bad contract back. Zero value to the line-up, zero value to our future, zero value to making a trade... so yeah, if it were my choice, he'd sit, and I frankly wouldn't be against sending him to the minors next year. Unless Gally has an attitude problem of checking out on the team, I don't believe in the team cultural sense that you can do that to a committed veteran. That is one tough management conversation. Management has to be committed to winning, continuous improvement, doing what is best for the team. I get your point this is a paid professional, and there is no entitlement, earn your spot. This seemed to be the downfall of Bergevin as he was a players manager that fell in love with certain types of players. This is a new regime, but I don't envy HuGo into having to perhaps make a potential tough call - can go either way on morale. Just because you were drafted high, or a prospect, doesn't mean you should just be given a roster spot / playing opportunity either. I really don't see much point in playing Pezzetta. After 150 games in the NHL, we know what he is and is not. IMO he's interim filler until someone more talented comes up. Don't think it will hurt to send Gallagher down... the players know it's a business. Wade Redden went down to the minors despite being a veteran leader. Karl Alzner did it here. Others have too. It happens. I don't think it would come as a surprise to anyone here that Gallagher isn't performing well and isn't earning his salary. That's one of the risks of signing a big contract into your 30s. Hughes can give him the option of retiring if he doesn't want to report to the AHL, but ultimately, there's nothing that obliges the Habs to keep him. I also don't really feel like Gallagher is part of the core leadership any more. Suzuki and Caufield are the on-ice leaders of this team. Matheson and Savard are the vets on the blue line. Dach and Slafkovsky have expanded their presence and influence on the team and can be expected to take on bigger leadership roles in the near future. People worried about trading Edmundson and Chiarot and Toffoli and Lehkonen and losing Danault and Tatar and life went on after those players left. Other players took over the leadership void.
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Post by HTL on Feb 22, 2024 2:16:54 GMT
I think Gally has a NMC clause if i recall correctly. Another little present from MB.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 22, 2024 2:40:25 GMT
I think Gally has a NMC clause if i recall correctly. Another little present from MB. Well that is just awful. I guess pressbox it is then. Gallagher and his agent must have known he was going to stink soon enough.
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Post by maasart on Feb 22, 2024 16:42:31 GMT
I think Gally has a NMC clause if i recall correctly. Another little present from MB. Well that is just awful. I guess pressbox it is then. Gallagher and his agent must have known he was going to stink soon enough. Yup. 6 team no trade list but more importantly, a no movement clause so, no Laval for him. I honestly dont think Hughes would consider it though. Rightly or wrongly, the NHL is a league of perception and Gallagher is perceived around the league as a warrior. If the team was to put him in the minors i think that would be a negative strike for potential free agents to be honest and I think Hughes is working hard to make this team look like a great destination for when we're ready to sign some guys. My only hope is that Price and Weber (who both live in BC & see Gallagher often in the offseason apparently) can explain the joys of being on the LTIR, lol.
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Post by RCAF48 on Feb 22, 2024 18:16:27 GMT
We often judge Gallagher against his contract and his past performance and not against his line-up peers. We have 8 bottom 6 and 5 bottom 3 forwards in our line-up nightly so I have trouble in piling on to Gallagher. The cap hit and not Gallagher's dismal play (which actually surpasses some of his peers) is the problem and even that is not a problem in the short term.
The calls to embarrass him into retirement are bush league IMO and hopefully not an action our management would even consider. The LTIR option may appear appealing but, in my view, only if it didn't require further injuries beyond those he already suffers from.
In the future if HUGO decide that he is hurting our ability to move forward I hope they do right for him and the organization by buying him out.
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Post by regis on Feb 22, 2024 18:27:01 GMT
#11 stick him on the 4. Th line and play him 6 or 7 minutes a night . He’s on pace to play all 82 games ( minus the 5 suspended games ) and this will be his lowest point total of his career with a terrible + - There still appears to be fans ( by comments on IG , Facebook ) who are enamoured with this guy They say of him he’s a warrior - whatever a warrior is suppose to mean He’s the hardest working player on the Habs - if that’s the case he needs to work smarter because he’s not accomplishing a lot He a leader in the dressing room . Since none of us are privy to what goes on in there not sure how / why they say that There are those who believe he should have been captain - some feel his # should retired 🤣🤦🏻♂️ He doesn’t have a particularly lethal wrist or slap shot ; he’s not a big hitter or fighter , not very fast I think Is he eve r out there for OT ? Sure he likes to plop himself in front of the net and take a beating but then he whines about His claim to fame is playing 12 years all with Montreal and the fans love him . But we never won anything with him We’re stuck with him and it’s only going to get worse Guy lafleur got treated like crap by lemaire as coach and retired maybe #11 can follow suit but I doubt he’s going to give up $6 m a year
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 22, 2024 19:22:59 GMT
#11 stick him on the 4. Th line and play him 6 or 7 minutes a night . He’s on pace to play all 82 games ( minus the 5 suspended games ) and this will be his lowest point total of his career with a terrible + - There still appears to be fans ( by comments on IG , Facebook ) who are enamoured with this guy They say of him he’s a warrior - whatever a warrior is suppose to mean He’s the hardest working player on the Habs - if that’s the case he needs to work smarter because he’s not accomplishing a lot He a leader in the dressing room . Since none of us are privy to what goes on in there not sure how / why they say that There are those who believe he should have been captain - some feel his # should retired 🤣🤦🏻♂️ He doesn’t have a particularly lethal wrist or slap shot ; he’s not a big hitter or fighter , not very fast I think Is he eve r out there for OT ? Sure he likes to plop himself in front of the net and take a beating but then he whines about His claim to fame is playing 12 years all with Montreal and the fans love him . But we never won anything with him We’re stuck with him and it’s only going to get worse Guy lafleur got treated like crap by lemaire as coach and retired maybe #11 can follow suit but I doubt he’s going to give up $6 m a year LOL! tell us how you really feel!
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Post by archey on Feb 22, 2024 19:35:42 GMT
#11 stick him on the 4. Th line and play him 6 or 7 minutes a night . He’s on pace to play all 82 games ( minus the 5 suspended games ) and this will be his lowest point total of his career with a terrible + - There still appears to be fans ( by comments on IG , Facebook ) who are enamoured with this guy They say of him he’s a warrior - whatever a warrior is suppose to mean He’s the hardest working player on the Habs - if that’s the case he needs to work smarter because he’s not accomplishing a lot He a leader in the dressing room . Since none of us are privy to what goes on in there not sure how / why they say that There are those who believe he should have been captain - some feel his # should retired 🤣🤦🏻♂️ He doesn’t have a particularly lethal wrist or slap shot ; he’s not a big hitter or fighter , not very fast I think Is he eve r out there for OT ? Sure he likes to plop himself in front of the net and take a beating but then he whines about His claim to fame is playing 12 years all with Montreal and the fans love him . But we never won anything with him We’re stuck with him and it’s only going to get worse Guy lafleur got treated like crap by lemaire as coach and retired maybe #11 can follow suit but I doubt he’s going to give up $6 m a year I think the hope is the more he plays the more chances of injury.
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Post by regis on Feb 22, 2024 20:19:33 GMT
☝️☝️ 😂 I started to not care for him after the NJ Devils game where he was asked about his interaction with PK Subban . His reply was something about PK just being PK , it’s always about PK …. Then he whined about Stutzle diving ( maybe rightly so ) but still And this year I read during the 5 - 1 loss he challenged Stutzle to a fight 🤦🏻♂️ Just shut up And play hockey 🤣😂
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Post by HTL on Feb 22, 2024 21:15:53 GMT
Question. Can a player with a NMC be bought out??
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Post by regis on Feb 22, 2024 22:01:31 GMT
I would rather see the team win hockey games , make the playoffs ( not as a bubble team. ) advance and have a chance of winning the Cup ( not MB’s anything can happen chance ) Rather than lose games with a team made up of French players ( to appease a certain demograph ) or because I like a certain player ( but he just doesn’t have it anymore )
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Post by maasart on Feb 22, 2024 22:15:27 GMT
Question. Can a player with a NMC be bought out?? Any player can be bought out. Usually a player is placed on waivers prior to a buyout but a NMC player can reject that portion but can still be bought out. I am not sure if Hughes would consider it with BG but this is how it would look. Honestly, im not sure if $2.16m for 2027-2030 is better than just keeping the $6.5m now. Suzuki and CC are locked in, Slaf has one more cheap year, Dach and Newhook are on cheap contracts... i dont see guys like Guhle or Struble or anyone really pushing for tons of cash... i think we just keep him around at full value and try to get him playing to a point where he's a least not hurting the team with bad penalties & such.
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Post by archey on Feb 22, 2024 22:41:37 GMT
I would rather see the team win hockey games , make the playoffs ( not as a bubble team. ) advance and have a chance of winning the Cup ( not MB’s anything can happen chance ) Rather than lose games with a team made up of French players ( to appease a certain demograph ) or because I like a certain player ( but he just doesn’t have it anymore ) I'm pretty happy being able to tie my shoes. LOL
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Post by claremont on Feb 22, 2024 23:24:15 GMT
I would rather see the team win hockey games , make the playoffs ( not as a bubble team. ) advance and have a chance of winning the Cup ( not MB’s anything can happen chance ) Rather than lose games with a team made up of French players ( to appease a certain demograph ) or because I like a certain player ( but he just doesn’t have it anymore ) I'm pretty happy being able to tie my shoes. LOL The “Gump Worsley” getting in the way? Asking for a friend….
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 22, 2024 23:27:49 GMT
We often judge Gallagher against his contract and his past performance and not against his line-up peers. We have 8 bottom 6 and 5 bottom 3 forwards in our line-up nightly so I have trouble in piling on to Gallagher. The cap hit and not Gallagher's dismal play (which actually surpasses some of his peers) is the problem and even that is not a problem in the short term. The calls to embarrass him into retirement are bush league IMO and hopefully not an action our management would even consider. The LTIR option may appear appealing but, in my view, only if it didn't require further injuries beyond those he already suffers from. In the future if HUGO decide that he is hurting our ability to move forward I hope they do right for him and the organization by buying him out. The cap hit is awful, but not the reason I'd dump Gallagher. Sitting him in the pressbox doesn't save us cap space. What it does do is open up a roster spot and ice time for someone who can help us in the future. It's true that Gallagher hasn't been the worst player on the team on a regular basis. There are definitely nights where he has been though. He's one of the slowest players on the team, he doesn't play any significant role on special teams, and he's taken a bunch of bad penalties this season. Again far from the only one, but Arpon Basu even wrote an article about how many of Gallagher's penalties came in the O zone and late in tight games, and while I find Basu is usually a fairly neutral commentator on the Habs, he was pretty explicit in saying he thought playing Gallagher late in close games was problematic and that Gallagher was hurting the team.
As I posted initially, there are reasons to play other forwards. I think Pearson is overall a worse player than Gallagher, but Pearson's also an impending UFA on a somewhat more reasonable contract. So there's a chance we can play him for another few games and turn him into a mid-round draft pick. Guys like YRHP, Ylonen, Roy, Gignac, and Heineman are at least players who have a shot at getting better and helping us more in 2-3 years. There's more upside in playing them to develop them as players, as well as in allowing us to evaluate their readiness to take on bigger roles. With Gallagher, you have an aging, declining player and you know exactly what he can and can't do. You could make an argument for keeping him in the top 12 if you were a competitive team this year and you wanted the best 12 guys on the ice for winning this year. I don't think you can do that when the primary goal for the rest of the year should be development for future years, evaluation, and a small amount of trying to boost other players' trade value.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 23, 2024 2:05:13 GMT
We often judge Gallagher against his contract and his past performance and not against his line-up peers. We have 8 bottom 6 and 5 bottom 3 forwards in our line-up nightly so I have trouble in piling on to Gallagher. The cap hit and not Gallagher's dismal play (which actually surpasses some of his peers) is the problem and even that is not a problem in the short term. The calls to embarrass him into retirement are bush league IMO and hopefully not an action our management would even consider. The LTIR option may appear appealing but, in my view, only if it didn't require further injuries beyond those he already suffers from. In the future if HUGO decide that he is hurting our ability to move forward I hope they do right for him and the organization by buying him out. The cap hit is awful, but not the reason I'd dump Gallagher. Sitting him in the pressbox doesn't save us cap space. What it does do is open up a roster spot and ice time for someone who can help us in the future. It's true that Gallagher hasn't been the worst player on the team on a regular basis. There are definitely nights where he has been though. He's one of the slowest players on the team, he doesn't play any significant role on special teams, and he's taken a bunch of bad penalties this season. Again far from the only one, but Arpon Basu even wrote an article about how many of Gallagher's penalties came in the O zone and late in tight games, and while I find Basu is usually a fairly neutral commentator on the Habs, he was pretty explicit in saying he thought playing Gallagher late in close games was problematic and that Gallagher was hurting the team.
As I posted initially, there are reasons to play other forwards. I think Pearson is overall a worse player than Gallagher, but Pearson's also an impending UFA on a somewhat more reasonable contract. So there's a chance we can play him for another few games and turn him into a mid-round draft pick. Guys like YRHP, Ylonen, Roy, Gignac, and Heineman are at least players who have a shot at getting better and helping us more in 2-3 years. There's more upside in playing them to develop them as players, as well as in allowing us to evaluate their readiness to take on bigger roles. With Gallagher, you have an aging, declining player and you know exactly what he can and can't do. You could make an argument for keeping him in the top 12 if you were a competitive team this year and you wanted the best 12 guys on the ice for winning this year. I don't think you can do that when the primary goal for the rest of the year should be development for future years, evaluation, and a small amount of trying to boost other players' trade value.
Case in point: Gallagher tonight takes a bad penalty clutching and grabbing in the neutral zone when he didn't have to. Matheson was already back getting the puck and there was no need to obstruct the one Penguins player chasing him. Yet that's what Gallagher does because he can't keep up with the play. Pittsburgh scores a few second later on the PP then scores again 21 seconds after that. In the words of Pierre Houde, "what a stupid penalty from Gallagher that has just given Pittsburgh all the momentum. A game-changing moment." Unfortunately, that's happened to Gallagher far too many times this year. When you can't keep pace, you take bad penalties.
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