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Post by claremont on Jul 2, 2024 20:43:35 GMT
So,,,,Ylo signs a 1 year deal with TB for $775,000. As an RFA i don't think we could have offered him that small a deal. He deserved opportunities elsewhere even though he lost BigTed as his biggest fan!
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 2, 2024 21:01:47 GMT
So,,,,Ylo signs a 1 year deal with TB for $775,000. As an RFA i don't think we could have offered him that small a deal. He deserved opportunities elsewhere even though he lost BigTed as his biggest fan! Why would you say he lost me as a fan? I still think he's a capable player who never quite got a full chance here. His place on a team is as a middle 6 player and the fact is that he's unlikely to get to play that role here, so he may as well go to a place where he has a fresh start. For the best for the player and team.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jul 2, 2024 21:05:41 GMT
He deserved opportunities elsewhere even though he lost BigTed as his biggest fan! Why would you say he lost me as a fan? I still think he's a capable player who never quite got a full chance here. His place on a team is as a middle 6 player and the fact is that he's unlikely to get to play that role here, so he may as well go to a place where he has a fresh start. For the best for the player and team. Pretty sure he means while he was on the Habs you were a fan of his now that he is on another team which you may not follow as much he has lost you?
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Post by claremont on Jul 2, 2024 23:03:32 GMT
Why would you say he lost me as a fan? I still think he's a capable player who never quite got a full chance here. His place on a team is as a middle 6 player and the fact is that he's unlikely to get to play that role here, so he may as well go to a place where he has a fresh start. For the best for the player and team. Pretty sure he means while he was on the Habs you were a fan of his now that he is on another team which you may not follow as much he has lost you? Correct assessment by Ramcharger. Ylonen had a great pair of mitts as evidenced by MSL putting him in shootouts. Ylonen always gave effort, and his skating appeared to be pretty good. One can argue that perhaps he wasn't developed correctly by putting him in 3rd and 4th line time but he had quite a bit of ice time in Laval. To me, other players whether by contract status Armia, Anderson, Gally RHP, Pezz all supplanted him - he just failed to beat the competition and was the victim of a numbers game in my eyes.
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Post by maasart on Jul 3, 2024 19:43:09 GMT
Pretty sure he means while he was on the Habs you were a fan of his now that he is on another team which you may not follow as much he has lost you? Correct assessment by Ramcharger. Ylonen had a great pair of mitts as evidenced by MSL putting him in shootouts. Ylonen always gave effort, and his skating appeared to be pretty good. One can argue that perhaps he wasn't developed correctly by putting him in 3rd and 4th line time but he had quite a bit of ice time in Laval. To me, other players whether by contract status Armia, Anderson, Gally RHP, Pezz all supplanted him - he just failed to beat the competition and was the victim of a numbers game in my eyes. Yeah, i think there's a number of teams in the league where he'd be a good, cheap 4th line option. He has skills - maybe the 2nd best shot behind Caufield - but he just seemed to lack the high speed decision making. I could see him being a PPG ahl player if he ends up not making the pros, or a 15-20 point 4th liner. I just cant see him developing past that. He didnt get a ton of chances but he did get some & never seemed to be able to put it all together.
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Post by regis on Jul 8, 2024 19:10:31 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jul 8, 2024 22:54:38 GMT
Not that id necessarily advocate for it, but i could see us reaching out to Patches. He could be a valuable bottom six winger, add a bit of a veteran presence, and end his story here on a high note - Hughes seems to be very big on "goodwill" among players. It seems like he's trying to provide a team environment where people want to come & while Patches didnt leave on the "worst" terms it wasnt great either. I could see us kicking tires if the cost is minimal & only 1 year.
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Post by regis on Jul 9, 2024 19:01:16 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jul 9, 2024 23:48:49 GMT
Just FYI, i did NOT write that article.
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Post by maasart on Jul 17, 2024 16:33:00 GMT
Interesting article by Karine Hains the other day noting how the Plekanec trade (eventually) led to us getting Hutson.
We initially traded Plekanec to Toronto for Kerby Rychel, Rinat Valiev and a 2nd Round Pick (Olofsson). Olofsson never left Europe, Rychel never amounted to much and we traded him for Hunter Shinkaruk while Valiev was probably the least interesting part of that deal on trade day. He played a couple of games for us & later that year we packaged him with Matt Taormina & shipped them to Calgary Flames for Brett Kulak.
Obviously, kulak was eventually traded for that 2nd (and a couple of other pieces).
So, Pleks - Valiev - Kulak - 2nd: Hutson.
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Post by ChiLla on Jul 17, 2024 16:39:25 GMT
Interesting article by Karine Hains the other day noting how the Plekanec trade (eventually) led to us getting Hutson. We initially traded Plekanec to Toronto for Kerby Rychel, Rinat Valiev and a 2nd Round Pick (Olofsson). Olofsson never left Europe, Rychel never amounted to much and we traded him for Hunter Shinkaruk while Valiev was probably the least interesting part of that deal on trade day. He played a couple of games for us & later that year we packaged him with Matt Taormina & shipped them to Calgary Flames for Brett Kulak. Obviously, kulak was eventually traded for that 2nd (and a couple of other pieces). So, Pleks - Valiev - Kulak - 2nd: Hutson. Aside from Pleky, that's a whole lot of names I totally forgot about
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 17, 2024 16:43:52 GMT
Interesting article by Karine Hains the other day noting how the Plekanec trade (eventually) led to us getting Hutson. We initially traded Plekanec to Toronto for Kerby Rychel, Rinat Valiev and a 2nd Round Pick (Olofsson). Olofsson never left Europe, Rychel never amounted to much and we traded him for Hunter Shinkaruk while Valiev was probably the least interesting part of that deal on trade day. He played a couple of games for us & later that year we packaged him with Matt Taormina & shipped them to Calgary Flames for Brett Kulak. Obviously, kulak was eventually traded for that 2nd (and a couple of other pieces). So, Pleks - Valiev - Kulak - 2nd: Hutson. The Plekanec trade was yet another example of asset mismanagement, whereby we let a player's value depreciate here, when we could have probably traded him for a 1st rounder plus if we had pulled the trigger earlier. The whole ordeal of this deal leading to Hutson is more fortuitous that anything and has very little to do with any type of plan.
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Post by maasart on Jul 17, 2024 17:04:38 GMT
Interesting article by Karine Hains the other day noting how the Plekanec trade (eventually) led to us getting Hutson. We initially traded Plekanec to Toronto for Kerby Rychel, Rinat Valiev and a 2nd Round Pick (Olofsson). Olofsson never left Europe, Rychel never amounted to much and we traded him for Hunter Shinkaruk while Valiev was probably the least interesting part of that deal on trade day. He played a couple of games for us & later that year we packaged him with Matt Taormina & shipped them to Calgary Flames for Brett Kulak. Obviously, kulak was eventually traded for that 2nd (and a couple of other pieces). So, Pleks - Valiev - Kulak - 2nd: Hutson. Aside from Pleky, that's a whole lot of names I totally forgot about Haha, right? so many of those guys over the years.
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Post by maasart on Jul 17, 2024 19:58:01 GMT
Interesting article by Karine Hains the other day noting how the Plekanec trade (eventually) led to us getting Hutson. We initially traded Plekanec to Toronto for Kerby Rychel, Rinat Valiev and a 2nd Round Pick (Olofsson). Olofsson never left Europe, Rychel never amounted to much and we traded him for Hunter Shinkaruk while Valiev was probably the least interesting part of that deal on trade day. He played a couple of games for us & later that year we packaged him with Matt Taormina & shipped them to Calgary Flames for Brett Kulak. Obviously, kulak was eventually traded for that 2nd (and a couple of other pieces). So, Pleks - Valiev - Kulak - 2nd: Hutson. The Plekanec trade was yet another example of asset mismanagement, whereby we let a player's value depreciate here, when we could have probably traded him for a 1st rounder plus if we had pulled the trigger earlier. The whole ordeal of this deal leading to Hutson is more fortuitous that anything and has very little to do with any type of plan. oh for sure. it was total fluke & not plannable in any way but its still fun to look at how certain players' deals keep giving and giving.
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Post by regis on Jul 23, 2024 17:13:50 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jul 23, 2024 17:33:21 GMT
Totally. Vignault was likely the worst of the 7, as noted, but he had an abysmal team to work with. I have a hard time ranking Carbo first - he was all over the place & a lot of his success came from Kovalev-Markov-Koivu-Pleks-etc Id say Martin & Julien were probably the 2 best during that time span although I like where MSL is going. For all his faults, Therrien is a great motivator. I still think he'd be a good assistant coach if he didnt play favourites like he apparently does. Ive never seen a roster as consistenly ready in october as a MT team. They are always pumped, primed and ready to go. Still hated him as HC though.
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Post by HTL on Jul 23, 2024 17:36:57 GMT
Totally. Vignault was likely the worst of the 7, as noted, but he had an abysmal team to work with. I have a hard time ranking Carbo first - he was all over the place & a lot of his success came from Kovalev-Markov-Koivu-Pleks-etc Id say Martin & Julien were probably the 2 best during that time span although I like where MSL is going. For all his faults, Therrien is a great motivator. I still think he'd be a good assistant coach if he didnt play favourites like he apparently does. Ive never seen a roster as consistenly ready in october as a MT team. They are always pumped, primed and ready to go. Still hated him as HC though. MT always left you with the impression his main motivational tool was intimidation. That wears thin quickly as we all saw.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 23, 2024 21:12:02 GMT
Totally. Vignault was likely the worst of the 7, as noted, but he had an abysmal team to work with. I have a hard time ranking Carbo first - he was all over the place & a lot of his success came from Kovalev-Markov-Koivu-Pleks-etc Id say Martin & Julien were probably the 2 best during that time span although I like where MSL is going. For all his faults, Therrien is a great motivator. I still think he'd be a good assistant coach if he didnt play favourites like he apparently does. Ive never seen a roster as consistenly ready in october as a MT team. They are always pumped, primed and ready to go. Still hated him as HC though.
I think this ranking is too results-based, as you're alluding to. It doesn't take into account the rosters they had. For my money
1. Julien 2. MSL 3. Martin 4. Carbonneau 5. Vigneault 6. Therrien 7. Ducharme
And I think MSL has a chance to move up this list as his team improves and he's able to do more with the players he has. I like his approach. Therrien and Ducharme easily the two worst guys on this list for me. Ducharme seemed lost. Therrien seemed like a total douchebag who played the authority card and expected players to respond to being yelled at to do better. Not sure there was ever any actual strategy there. That said, every guy on this list was better than Mario Tremblay...
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Post by regis on Jul 24, 2024 22:21:06 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jul 24, 2024 22:50:18 GMT
Agree. I think every fanbase hypes up prospects & im sure some of the young guys we're penciling in as top 6 forwards, top 4 dmen may not make it but the odds are better with the group we have now. Terry Ryan is still the one that haunts me on this list. Taken 8th overall that year, we could have taken Jerome, freakin, Iginla (who went 11th). There were other good players taken in the first round we could have gotten (Giguere, Sykora etc) and some suprises later (Marc Savard was like a 4th or 5th rounder that year i think?) but Iginla had to be in the discussion at 8th overall & the fact we took Ryan instead... gah.
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