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Post by electron58 on Nov 16, 2023 4:37:00 GMT
Re Charlie Lindgren , Montreal had a guy named carey price . Yes. This is very true. But why not as a backup? We go through backups like tp.
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Post by regis on Nov 16, 2023 8:25:02 GMT
Wow look who is leading the Carolina hurricanes in points 🤦♂️😂
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Post by archey on Nov 16, 2023 12:41:45 GMT
Wow look who is leading the Carolina hurricanes in points 🤦♂️😂 Would be better if he wasn't minus 3.
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Post by ChiLla on Nov 16, 2023 19:02:29 GMT
Wow look who is leading the Carolina hurricanes in points 🤦♂️😂 Would be better if he wasn't minus 3. Would be even better if Bergevin didn't mess this up in the first place.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 17, 2023 19:49:51 GMT
Exactly! If they would have played KK and let him get experience he would still be here, instead of playing mind games and benching him. You knew that KK was going to bolt first chance he got, but nobody seen how stupid Bergevin really was until he got check mated!
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Post by jenniferrocket on Nov 20, 2023 20:46:31 GMT
Wow look who is leading the Carolina hurricanes in points 🤦♂️😂 Sebastien Aho! No one else worth mentioning. Nope. No sir. No one named Kotkaniemi. That's for sure!
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Post by electron58 on Nov 25, 2023 15:44:21 GMT
Mike Vaughn, the maker of Vaughn goalie equipment, has revealed that longtime Edmonton Oilers goaltender Andy Moog is currently battling cancer. Good Luck, Andy!
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Post by electron58 on Nov 26, 2023 1:27:03 GMT
Leafs using Lagesson & Benoit on the penalty kill and they looked good killing off a Penguins power play.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 26, 2023 1:30:26 GMT
The New York Islanders have claimed defenseman Mike Reilly off waivers from the Florida Panthers. Bouncing around a bit.
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Post by regis on Dec 6, 2023 2:44:19 GMT
I’m bored
Tatar 8 points Drouin 6 points Danault 15 points ( this includes tonight’s game against CBJ ) Kotkaniemi. 15 points Toffoli. 21 points Edmondson 8 games 0 points Petry 6 points ( 0 goals ) 16 games Chiarot 7 points Dadanov 8 points
Mike matheson 18 points - I think that trade was a big W for Hughes . Newhook 13 points Dvorak 5 points in 15 games Dach 2 points in 2 games Pearson 8 points
I don’t really miss anyone. All the guys we got moved are on better teams
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Post by BigTed3 on Dec 6, 2023 3:20:20 GMT
I’m bored Tatar 8 points Drouin 6 points Danault 15 points ( this includes tonight’s game against CBJ ) Kotkaniemi. 15 points Toffoli. 21 points Edmondson 8 games 0 points Petry 6 points ( 0 goals ) 16 games Chiarot 7 points Dadanov 8 points Mike matheson 18 points - I think that trade was a big W for Hughes . Newhook 13 points Dvorak 5 points in 15 games Dach 2 points in 2 games Pearson 8 points I don’t really miss anyone. All the guys we got moved are on better teams Counter point: if the guys we traded are all on better teams across the league, that's probably because we ourselves have a bad team.
Most of the guys you listed are not guys who would be helping us much right now. The only three guys of value really are Danault, Kotkaniemi, and Toffoli, and even in retrospect, I likely wouldn't have signed Danault for what he wanted and I still think the Toffoli trade was a good move for our organization in that it capitalized on his value while he still had some. We should have done this with other players as well. The only guy on that list I regret letting walk is Kotkaniemi, who IMO would be a much better asset to have right now than Dvorak, not even factoring in the fact that we gave up better draft picks than we got in that whole exchange.
The flip side is that of the guys of ours you listed, there also aren't a lot of big wins there either. Matheson has been a win, but it remains to be seen whether he maintains his value through his contract or whether we end up saddled with a big-money deal in years where he's fallen off a cliff. Either is possible. We also ended up taking back salary on Petry later that could hurt us. But overall, good trade. The Dach trade has also looked promising, but it's way too early to tell if this will be a win. In 5-7 years, we could also look back and see Nazar (or someone else we could have/would have drafted at 13) end up a better player than Dach. It looks like a good deal for now, but that could change.
Past that, the rest isn't that impressive. Dvorak was a loss for Bergevin. Newhook, as I've described before, isn't clearly a key player here, and I liked some of the players we could have picked with those two draft picks we gave up. And the Pearson trade still makes no sense to me. So ultimately, yeah, there's not a lot in the pile of players we gave up, but there's also not a lot (yet) in the ones we've taken on.
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Post by regis on Dec 6, 2023 3:58:11 GMT
Correct, as the standings indicate we haven’t been a very good for a while now
I was only comparing current points as of today, not looking at what the future might hold or if some draft pick would have been a better option than a trade that was made
I don’t think we should regret moving on from anyone
I know you like the guy in Carolina, but he accepted a ridiculous offer sheet, good for him , he hasn’t lit the league on fire ( yet ) but we could also look back and say they we should have drafted Brady T or Quinn Hughes instead of him .🤷♂️
Will matheson live up to his contract . No idea . But as of today I’d rather have him instead of Mrs Petry 😂
Dach, Newhook hurt . It sucks .
Oh and Romanov 5 points, max domi 12
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Post by maasart on Dec 6, 2023 15:15:37 GMT
I’m bored Tatar 8 points Drouin 6 points Danault 15 points ( this includes tonight’s game against CBJ ) Kotkaniemi. 15 points Toffoli. 21 points Edmondson 8 games 0 points Petry 6 points ( 0 goals ) 16 games Chiarot 7 points Dadanov 8 points Mike matheson 18 points - I think that trade was a big W for Hughes . Newhook 13 points Dvorak 5 points in 15 games Dach 2 points in 2 games Pearson 8 points I don’t really miss anyone. All the guys we got moved are on better teams You forgot a big one: We traded Kulak (who has 2 points in 22 games) for Lagesson (who has moved on) and the 2nd round pick that got us arguably our top prospect: Lane Hutson
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Post by BigTed3 on Dec 6, 2023 21:00:36 GMT
I’m bored Tatar 8 points Drouin 6 points Danault 15 points ( this includes tonight’s game against CBJ ) Kotkaniemi. 15 points Toffoli. 21 points Edmondson 8 games 0 points Petry 6 points ( 0 goals ) 16 games Chiarot 7 points Dadanov 8 points Mike matheson 18 points - I think that trade was a big W for Hughes . Newhook 13 points Dvorak 5 points in 15 games Dach 2 points in 2 games Pearson 8 points I don’t really miss anyone. All the guys we got moved are on better teams You forgot a big one: We traded Kulak (who has 2 points in 22 games) for Lagesson (who has moved on) and the 2nd round pick that got us arguably our top prospect: Lane Hutson Yeah, although that's still very much an untold story too. But that type of trade (for 1st and maybe 2nd rounders) is what allows you to take shots in the draft. And while not all will hit, those are the important picks. Look at Rivet for what turned out to be Pacioretty. Pacioretty then in turn for Suzuki and a draft pick. Conversely, Dvorak for the pick that turned into Bystedt and another presumably top-of-the-2nd-round pick this year. Newhook for a late 1st and early 2nd. If people think those picks don't matter, look at our current cupboard of prospects and recent picks...
- Ylonen at 35 - Romanov at 38 (who we then turned into Dach)
- Harris at 71
- Struble at 46 - Norlinder at 64
- Beck at 33 - Hutson at 62
Other than Hutson, it's unlikely any of those players become stars, but it's possible half our D corps over the next 5 years comes from the 2nd and early 3rd round, in addition to a few middle 6 forwards. It's nothing to sneeze at.
My philosophy has always been to go after stars. Swing big. You can fill out your line-up in other ways with draft picks in the late 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and some hidden gems later. You can swing trades for older players or sign UFAs to address niches in your line-up that are a bit weaker. But it's hard to find guys to play the first line, the 2C, the top D pairing... and along those lines, I think we need to ask ourselves that type of question when we make trades using those more valuable picks: is the player we're getting a guy with a legitimate shot at stardom or is he not? If he is, then you go for it. But if he's not, then you're trading for more of a sure bet but giving up the homerun swings that potentially change your line-up into a contender. In the case of Newhook, he's IMO not ever going to be a 1st line player, or at the very least I'd be extremely surprised if he is. But maybe Gulyayev, Cristall, Brindley, Gauthier, Edberg, Wahlstrom, etc. will be. They're absolutely less of a sure thing than Newhook, but they're also less differentiated, with a chance of stardom. Cristall especially would have been a type of pick like Lane Hutson. Big risk but maybe big reward. Likewise, Dvorak was a known quantity as a middle 6 center, but he wasn't going to suddenly become a 1st liner. Kotkaniemi still had that possibility. The guys we could have picked instead of trading for Dvorak (Bystedt, Kulich, Lambert, Howard, Firkus, etc.) might one day get there. So I think some of these trades were really playing it very safe, and I'm not sure that gets you anywhere in the long run.
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Post by regis on Dec 6, 2023 21:27:27 GMT
On IG there was congratulatory messages to Evans for 200 games and Gallagher for 700 games.
I guess because Im older and no longer have deep devotions to any particular player ( my last Favorite being Markov ) I found some of the comments amusing
Need to sign Evans to a LT contract Gallagher should've been the captain We need to retire Gallagher's jersey
I honestly and sincerely don't understand the lover affair with # 11. He's never led the team in goals, assists, points , And we've never won a Cup in his 12 years here He works hard , he's a warrior they say ---- everyone works hard , some work smarter than others But whatever to each their own
So I got bored and decided too see how the players we moved on from were doing compared to those we brought on -- point wise only
Did not include draft picks we gave up, or got , or futures , or prospects - to me they are prospects and their is no guarantee they will be NHL'ers no matter how highly they are regarded
It wasn't meant to rate the trades as a win or lose for Hughes, although I did say Matheson is a W for Hughes.
I guess it looks like we moved on from a bunch of players and regardless they haven't set their current teams on fire so much so that maybe we should have kept them
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Post by electron58 on Dec 6, 2023 22:33:27 GMT
Ilya Kovalchuk is returning to the KHL after two years off the ice. The 40-year-old forward signed with Spartak Moscow for the remainder of the 2023-24 season on Wednesday.
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Post by maasart on Dec 6, 2023 22:53:13 GMT
Ilya Kovalchuk is returning to the KHL after two years off the ice. The 40-year-old forward signed with Spartak Moscow for the remainder of the 2023-24 season on Wednesday. The most indecisive player in the history of hockey? lol
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Post by electron58 on Dec 6, 2023 23:15:14 GMT
Ilya Kovalchuk is returning to the KHL after two years off the ice. The 40-year-old forward signed with Spartak Moscow for the remainder of the 2023-24 season on Wednesday. The most indecisive player in the history of hockey? lol He sure has made a lot of radical decisions.
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Post by electron58 on Dec 8, 2023 18:08:45 GMT
Casey DeSmith remains undefeated against the Minnesota Wild. He earned the latest win after a 26-save shutout as the Vancouver Canucks snapped Minnesota's four-game winning streak with a 2-0 victory over the Wild on Thursday night at Rogers Arena. The shutout was DeSmith's first since April 21, 2022.
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Post by regis on Dec 9, 2023 22:49:24 GMT
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