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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 5, 2024 16:13:02 GMT
A new season is upon us.
JFresh has published his preliminary projection for the standings, which as I understand is based on expected rosters and how each player is predicted to contribute to wins above replacement players (so there is some objectivity to this, not just one guy's opinion). Obviously, this does not account for luck or injuries, nor future trades or signings or additions of rookies, but if gives us an understanding of where our roster stacks up as of where we stand right now.
So FWIW, he has the Habs projected to finish on 69 points, which would be 2nd-last in the entire league ahead of only SJ. We would be several points shy of 3rd-last Columbus and a decent amount behind Chicago and Anaheim, who round out the bottom 5.
His projected playoff teams are NJ, Car, Fla, Tor, Bos, NYR, TB, and Ott in the East and Edm, Van, Dal, Min, Wpg, Col, LV, and Nas in the West. He has Cgy finishing 9th-last, meaning we would likely end up with Florida's 1st rounder (projected to be 29th overall right now).
Now I can already predict that people here will think these projections under-estimate our performance, but let's keep in mind that other bottom-feeders seemed to add during free agency, whereas we were silent (not necessarily a bad thing), and we've been a bottom 5 team the last 3 years, so the numbers are suggesting we haven't improved that much and might even have been passed by the likes of Chicago and Anaheim and Columbus. So how much will Dach's return help? How much improvement will the younger players show and is it more than the improvement other teams might see from the likes of Bedard, Nazar, Mintyukov, Mctavish, Carlsson, Celebrini, Jiricek, etc.?
What's your projection for how this team will fare and if you're saying this is a team that will be 10th last or challenge for the playoffs, what teams do you think we'll be better than that we weren't better than last year?
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Post by regis on Jul 5, 2024 16:29:17 GMT
Based on todayβs roster , not sure where we will end up league wise , but I do not think weβre making the playoffs , not even challenging for a wild card .
Lots of unknowns
So far , the only addition is Dach, and I donβt know what to expect from him as hes been injured π€ the last couple years and what affect his addition to the team has on the lineup
How much can Slafkovsky, Caufield improve
The bottom six is basically the same as last year and they werenβt very good
The D remains the same . We shall see if Hutson , Reinbacher or Mailloux make it and how much they can contribute offensively
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Post by archey on Jul 5, 2024 16:30:10 GMT
A new season is upon us. JFresh has published his preliminary projection for the standings, which as I understand is based on expected rosters and how each player is predicted to contribute to wins above replacement players (so there is some objectivity to this, not just one guy's opinion). Obviously, this does not account for luck or injuries, nor future trades or signings or additions of rookies, but if gives us an understanding of where our roster stacks up as of where we stand right now. So FWIW, he has the Habs projected to finish on 69 points, which would be 2nd-last in the entire league ahead of only SJ. We would be several points shy of 3rd-last Columbus and a decent amount behind Chicago and Anaheim, who round out the bottom 5. His projected playoff teams are NJ, Car, Fla, Tor, Bos, NYR, TB, and Ott in the East and Edm, Van, Dal, Min, Wpg, Col, LV, and Nas in the West. He has Cgy finishing 9th-last, meaning we would likely end up with Florida's 1st rounder (projected to be 29th overall right now). Now I can already predict that people here will think these projections under-estimate our performance, but let's keep in mind that other bottom-feeders seemed to add during free agency, whereas we were silent (not necessarily a bad thing), and we've been a bottom 5 team the last 3 years, so the numbers are suggesting we haven't improved that much and might even have been passed by the likes of Chicago and Anaheim and Columbus. So how much will Dach's return help? How much improvement will the younger players show and is it more than the improvement other teams might see from the likes of Bedard, Nazar, Mintyukov, Mctavish, Carlsson, Celebrini, Jiricek, etc.? What's your projection for how this team will fare and if you're saying this is a team that will be 10th last or challenge for the playoffs, what teams do you think we'll be better than that we weren't better than last year? All of this has to be judged on improvement on 1 goal games so going from there... I would guess no one including me want to jinx it. Lol
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Post by maasart on Jul 5, 2024 17:15:03 GMT
I think there's a few things we need to consider/ keep in mind:
1. We have 6 Nhl-quality LHD. Now, it's possible 1 of them gets tasked with playing RHD on the 3rd pair and certainly, Hutson or Xhekaj may start the year in the minors but i think there's a very strong chance we move 1 or 2 of them before the season starts. If its Matheson, we're likely worse. But if we trade someone for some help up front, who knows.
2. Our season may hinge on Kirby Dach. If he comes in & is as good (or better) than the other top 3 young forwards on our roster, then i think we make some substantial strides. If he's so-so or has injury troubles again, this could be another long season.
3. If our vets like Gallagher & Anderson have bounce back seasons, its a different situation too. Its unlikely that either get back to their best but who knows. Gallagher looked quite good with Newhook & Armia last year.
I know im more of an optimist than many on this board but honestly i feel like this team does have a shot at the playoffs but i also think we will add in one more piece before the season starts. Could it be Necas or someone like that? Maybe. That should change a lot but its possible it weakens us elsewhere (Defense) in doing so. Goaltending will likely play a bit role in our success (or lack thereof) next year.
Ultimately I think Gorton is ok with missing another playoffs. I think Hughes doesnt want to but understands we might. I think MSL absolutely, positively does not want to miss the playoffs next year. We shall how it goes.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jul 5, 2024 17:20:57 GMT
We did not add any new players to our roster but we have improved in many ways, first we don't have an extra goalie and lets face it Allen was pretty soft for us last season! we will have Slaf who has figured out how to play in the NHL for the whole season not just the second half! Dach is going to help us put players in the right slots which will also help a lot! There are some other things in our favor as well We found some combos that worked with Armia Gally and some of our young players, on Defence I expect our PP is going to be better with Hutson and perhaps Mailloux they have more vision than a lot of Dmen we have had in the past which means Matheson will not be the only guy to cover on the point of the PP. On top of all that I am sure we are going to make some kind of move to pick up a good top six player we have too many Dmen not to be able to make something good happen! I don't think we will make the playoffs but we should be able to make a run at a wildcard if we don't have too may injuries up front...... looking at you Dach!
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Post by maasart on Jul 5, 2024 17:32:13 GMT
We did not add any new players to our roster but we have improved in many ways, first we don't have an extra goalie and lets face it Allen was pretty soft for us last season! we will have Slaf who has figured out how to play in the NHL for the whole season not just the second half! Dach is going to help us put players in the right slots which will also help a lot! There are some other things in our favor as well We found some combos that worked with Armia Gally and some of our young players, on Defence I expect our PP is going to be better with Hutson and perhaps Mailloux they have more vision than a lot of Dmen we have had in the past which means Matheson will not be the only guy to cover on the point of the PP. On top of all that I am sure we are going to make some kind of move to pick up a good top six player we have too many Dmen not to be able to make something good happen! I don't think we will make the playoffs but we should be able to make a run at a wildcard if we don't have too may injuries up front...... looking at you Dach! Yeah i mean i understand why, on paper, this team is expected to have 69-79 points by the analysts but i think there are other factors that dont show up in the projections & I think we'll be pleasantly surprised this year.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 5, 2024 18:41:12 GMT
I think there's a few things we need to consider/ keep in mind: 1. We have 6 Nhl-quality LHD. Now, it's possible 1 of them gets tasked with playing RHD on the 3rd pair and certainly, Hutson or Xhekaj may start the year in the minors but i think there's a very strong chance we move 1 or 2 of them before the season starts. If its Matheson, we're likely worse. But if we trade someone for some help up front, who knows. 2. Our season may hinge on Kirby Dach. If he comes in & is as good (or better) than the other top 3 young forwards on our roster, then i think we make some substantial strides. If he's so-so or has injury troubles again, this could be another long season. 3. If our vets like Gallagher & Anderson have bounce back seasons, its a different situation too. Its unlikely that either get back to their best but who knows. Gallagher looked quite good with Newhook & Armia last year. I know im more of an optimist than many on this board but honestly i feel like this team does have a shot at the playoffs but i also think we will add in one more piece before the season starts. Could it be Necas or someone like that? Maybe. That should change a lot but its possible it weakens us elsewhere (Defense) in doing so. Goaltending will likely play a bit role in our success (or lack thereof) next year. Ultimately I think Gorton is ok with missing another playoffs. I think Hughes doesnt want to but understands we might. I think MSL absolutely, positively does not want to miss the playoffs next year. We shall how it goes. I do believe the projections account for Dach returning since he's on the roster, and they predict the most likely outcomes for all players including Gallagher and Anderson, so someone would have to outplay how they've done recently to move the needle. I certainly think we're a young team with the possibility of showing improvement both on an individual level as well as system-wise. I think the biggest chance is going to have to come from the PP if we're going to see improvement, so some of this might also come down to whether we get a better PP coach than Burrows (and I wonder if he might actually have been relieved of his duties as a coach and the whole thing masked as being a decision of his for family reasons). But at the end of the day, the other teams in the bottom 5-10 group are also maturing and getting better too, so this is not isolated to our own situation. San Jose added Toffoli. They probably get Celebrini. Maybe they get Dickinson or Smith or Musty too. Chicago added a number of UFAs and how this helps could vary greatly. Maybe they get Hall back. Bedard is a year more experienced. Nazar is there. Anaheim maybe gets Gauthier. Carlsson will play more. Maybe Zellwegger makes the team. Mintyukov and Mctavish are a year older. Maybe they deal Zegras for help elsewhere, and he missed a lot of the year last year. The point is that these other teams can also argue they're a bit better. And who else has gotten a lot worse who is projected to be bottom 5-10? Calgary? Pittsburgh? Buffalo?
As for the question about defencemen, if we don't make any moves whatsoever, this is how I would expect MSL to line up his defence to start the year:
Matheson-Guhle (with Guhle playing the right on the top pair again) Harris-Savard Xhekaj-Mailloux Struble-Barron
Now it's possible Mailloux doesn't make the team or that some of those bottom 6 guys get moved around a bit, but I don't see a ton of change happening compared to last year. Unless we move other players out, there really isn't a lot of room for waiver-eligible players like Hutson and Reinbacher to make the jump. Could we sent a couple of the other guys down instead? Yes, for part of the year. But I think a younger guy would need to really force the team's hand to make that happen. With that in mind, I don't expect to see big changes to the D corps. I think IF Hughes had succeeded in adding a veteran as short-term help (like a Stamkos, Marchessault, etc.) then the plan might have changed a bit, but given where we ended up after free agency and given the other bottom feeders pushing a bit more for immediate improvement (and given Demidov isn't coming over for another year), I think Hughes is going to sit back and see that he probably isn't going to force trying to finish 8th-last or 12-last. I did think initially this was going to be a year where we tried to push for the playoffs, but the more the summer plays out, the more I think Hughes is going to let next year play out similar to the last one: hope for personal improvement from players but not force the need for the team to do well as a whole. If they do well, they do well. If they do the same as last year, then so be it. He and Gorton have already said they think the summer of 2025-26 will be more important than this one, and I think by then, we will have expected all of Hutson, Reinbacher, Mailloux, and Demidov to have arrived, and we'll see Dvorak, Armia, Savard, and maybe Evans go. We get two more salary retention slots back, so maybe an Anderson or a Gallagher gets shipped out. I think they'll be a lot of roster turnover in the next 12 months, but where we stand now, I'm not sure we'll see trades forced just to squeeze in a youngster. I think Hughes will make a move if he feels it's good value for our plan, but I think he's also content to let some of those younger players start the year in Laval.
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Post by HTL on Jul 5, 2024 18:48:28 GMT
We did not add any new players to our roster but we have improved in many ways, first we don't have an extra goalie and lets face it Allen was pretty soft for us last season! we will have Slaf who has figured out how to play in the NHL for the whole season not just the second half! Dach is going to help us put players in the right slots which will also help a lot! There are some other things in our favor as well We found some combos that worked with Armia Gally and some of our young players, on Defence I expect our PP is going to be better with Hutson and perhaps Mailloux they have more vision than a lot of Dmen we have had in the past which means Matheson will not be the only guy to cover on the point of the PP. On top of all that I am sure we are going to make some kind of move to pick up a good top six player we have too many Dmen not to be able to make something good happen! I don't think we will make the playoffs but we should be able to make a run at a wildcard if we don't have too may injuries up front...... looking at you Dach! Yeah i mean i understand why, on paper, this team is expected to have 69-79 points by the analysts but i think there are other factors that dont show up in the projections & I think we'll be pleasantly surprised this year. Yup,,, such as goaltending issues being solved. Slaf improved as the year went on as did some of our vets like Armia and Gally. We depended a lot on our captain to carry the load and he was showing the wear in the 2nd half. Injuries to Dach, Newhook, Wifi, Dvo, just to mention a few. CC had a slow start after his injury last year but also picked it up later. That's not to say we won't run into similar problems this season but i'm hopefull. I personally believe we will see another step forward.
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Post by RCAF48 on Jul 5, 2024 23:17:43 GMT
The "NHL Draft 2024" thread started on Oct 16th last year..............I am afraid the "NHL Draft 2025" thread may start a lot earlier this year.
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Post by claremont on Jul 6, 2024 12:32:47 GMT
I think there's a few things we need to consider/ keep in mind: 1. We have 6 Nhl-quality LHD. Now, it's possible 1 of them gets tasked with playing RHD on the 3rd pair and certainly, Hutson or Xhekaj may start the year in the minors but i think there's a very strong chance we move 1 or 2 of them before the season starts. If its Matheson, we're likely worse. But if we trade someone for some help up front, who knows. 2. Our season may hinge on Kirby Dach. If he comes in & is as good (or better) than the other top 3 young forwards on our roster, then i think we make some substantial strides. If he's so-so or has injury troubles again, this could be another long season. 3. If our vets like Gallagher & Anderson have bounce back seasons, its a different situation too. Its unlikely that either get back to their best but who knows. Gallagher looked quite good with Newhook & Armia last year. I know im more of an optimist than many on this board but honestly i feel like this team does have a shot at the playoffs but i also think we will add in one more piece before the season starts. Could it be Necas or someone like that? Maybe. That should change a lot but its possible it weakens us elsewhere (Defense) in doing so. Goaltending will likely play a bit role in our success (or lack thereof) next year. Ultimately I think Gorton is ok with missing another playoffs. I think Hughes doesnt want to but understands we might. I think MSL absolutely, positively does not want to miss the playoffs next year. We shall how it goes. I do believe the projections account for Dach returning since he's on the roster, and they predict the most likely outcomes for all players including Gallagher and Anderson, so someone would have to outplay how they've done recently to move the needle. I certainly think we're a young team with the possibility of showing improvement both on an individual level as well as system-wise. I think the biggest chance is going to have to come from the PP if we're going to see improvement, so some of this might also come down to whether we get a better PP coach than Burrows (and I wonder if he might actually have been relieved of his duties as a coach and the whole thing masked as being a decision of his for family reasons). But at the end of the day, the other teams in the bottom 5-10 group are also maturing and getting better too, so this is not isolated to our own situation. San Jose added Toffoli. They probably get Celebrini. Maybe they get Dickinson or Smith or Musty too. Chicago added a number of UFAs and how this helps could vary greatly. Maybe they get Hall back. Bedard is a year more experienced. Nazar is there. Anaheim maybe gets Gauthier. Carlsson will play more. Maybe Zellwegger makes the team. Mintyukov and Mctavish are a year older. Maybe they deal Zegras for help elsewhere, and he missed a lot of the year last year. The point is that these other teams can also argue they're a bit better. And who else has gotten a lot worse who is projected to be bottom 5-10? Calgary? Pittsburgh? Buffalo?
As for the question about defencemen, if we don't make any moves whatsoever, this is how I would expect MSL to line up his defence to start the year:
Matheson-Guhle (with Guhle playing the right on the top pair again) Harris-Savard Xhekaj-Mailloux Struble-Barron
Now it's possible Mailloux doesn't make the team or that some of those bottom 6 guys get moved around a bit, but I don't see a ton of change happening compared to last year. Unless we move other players out, there really isn't a lot of room for waiver-eligible players like Hutson and Reinbacher to make the jump. Could we sent a couple of the other guys down instead? Yes, for part of the year. But I think a younger guy would need to really force the team's hand to make that happen. With that in mind, I don't expect to see big changes to the D corps. I think IF Hughes had succeeded in adding a veteran as short-term help (like a Stamkos, Marchessault, etc.) then the plan might have changed a bit, but given where we ended up after free agency and given the other bottom feeders pushing a bit more for immediate improvement (and given Demidov isn't coming over for another year), I think Hughes is going to sit back and see that he probably isn't going to force trying to finish 8th-last or 12-last. I did think initially this was going to be a year where we tried to push for the playoffs, but the more the summer plays out, the more I think Hughes is going to let next year play out similar to the last one: hope for personal improvement from players but not force the need for the team to do well as a whole. If they do well, they do well. If they do the same as last year, then so be it. He and Gorton have already said they think the summer of 2025-26 will be more important than this one, and I think by then, we will have expected all of Hutson, Reinbacher, Mailloux, and Demidov to have arrived, and we'll see Dvorak, Armia, Savard, and maybe Evans go. We get two more salary retention slots back, so maybe an Anderson or a Gallagher gets shipped out. I think they'll be a lot of roster turnover in the next 12 months, but where we stand now, I'm not sure we'll see trades forced just to squeeze in a youngster. I think Hughes will make a move if he feels it's good value for our plan, but I think he's also content to let some of those younger players start the year in Laval.
My thoughts are basically 1) A lot of other teams have improved their roster - not just us on experience, so I don't over estimate expectations 2) Our roster as constructed does not appear to have major uplifting elements beyond a healthy Dach, and healthy Dvorak. Too many If's. 3) Our Division is tough - Detroit has taken strides, Ottawa should have better goaltending and a full season of Pinto. 4) The roster's top 6 just isn't IMO strong enough to compete and our 2nd pairing D is suspect at present, and who knows how are PP will perform. 5) I see as a range between 21 & 25 - I would classify the season as a failure if we get a top 8 pick. I will be surprised if Hutson does not make this team out of the gate. Now maybe it is out of necessity but Jordan Harris made the team in his first year, after 4 reasonable NCAA seasons. Struble surprised everyone by being able to at least play some 50-50 defense (some holes later in the season), after 4 mediocre seasons at Northeastern. Arber with an extra overage season in the OHL, was able to hold his own most nights albeit brought an extra dimension that most don't have. Now Hutson is 2 years younger than Harris / Struble start years, but he actually dominated NCAA by comparisons. Habs don't have to rush Hutson unlike Harris / Xhekaj, and he could be a victim of the numbers game, but if he's ready, hard to keep him out of the lineup. Struble could be sent to Laval in lieu of Hutson, but this just demonstrates the log jam at LHD. One would think they would like to give Engstrom some solid minutes at Laval and not play behind a Hutson or Struble for too long. I don't know what sending Mailloux back to Laval accomplishes given his all star performance last year, and Barron is not waivers exempt, so I agree with the above D lineup swapping Hutson for Struble as a contingency. Makes perfect sense for Reinbacher to develop in Laval pending Savard's inevitable movement. We need another trade / acquisition before we can get into a better level.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 6, 2024 13:12:41 GMT
I do believe the projections account for Dach returning since he's on the roster, and they predict the most likely outcomes for all players including Gallagher and Anderson, so someone would have to outplay how they've done recently to move the needle. I certainly think we're a young team with the possibility of showing improvement both on an individual level as well as system-wise. I think the biggest chance is going to have to come from the PP if we're going to see improvement, so some of this might also come down to whether we get a better PP coach than Burrows (and I wonder if he might actually have been relieved of his duties as a coach and the whole thing masked as being a decision of his for family reasons). But at the end of the day, the other teams in the bottom 5-10 group are also maturing and getting better too, so this is not isolated to our own situation. San Jose added Toffoli. They probably get Celebrini. Maybe they get Dickinson or Smith or Musty too. Chicago added a number of UFAs and how this helps could vary greatly. Maybe they get Hall back. Bedard is a year more experienced. Nazar is there. Anaheim maybe gets Gauthier. Carlsson will play more. Maybe Zellwegger makes the team. Mintyukov and Mctavish are a year older. Maybe they deal Zegras for help elsewhere, and he missed a lot of the year last year. The point is that these other teams can also argue they're a bit better. And who else has gotten a lot worse who is projected to be bottom 5-10? Calgary? Pittsburgh? Buffalo?
As for the question about defencemen, if we don't make any moves whatsoever, this is how I would expect MSL to line up his defence to start the year: Matheson-Guhle (with Guhle playing the right on the top pair again) Harris-Savard Xhekaj-Mailloux Struble-Barron Now it's possible Mailloux doesn't make the team or that some of those bottom 6 guys get moved around a bit, but I don't see a ton of change happening compared to last year. Unless we move other players out, there really isn't a lot of room for waiver-eligible players like Hutson and Reinbacher to make the jump. Could we sent a couple of the other guys down instead? Yes, for part of the year. But I think a younger guy would need to really force the team's hand to make that happen. With that in mind, I don't expect to see big changes to the D corps. I think IF Hughes had succeeded in adding a veteran as short-term help (like a Stamkos, Marchessault, etc.) then the plan might have changed a bit, but given where we ended up after free agency and given the other bottom feeders pushing a bit more for immediate improvement (and given Demidov isn't coming over for another year), I think Hughes is going to sit back and see that he probably isn't going to force trying to finish 8th-last or 12-last. I did think initially this was going to be a year where we tried to push for the playoffs, but the more the summer plays out, the more I think Hughes is going to let next year play out similar to the last one: hope for personal improvement from players but not force the need for the team to do well as a whole. If they do well, they do well. If they do the same as last year, then so be it. He and Gorton have already said they think the summer of 2025-26 will be more important than this one, and I think by then, we will have expected all of Hutson, Reinbacher, Mailloux, and Demidov to have arrived, and we'll see Dvorak, Armia, Savard, and maybe Evans go. We get two more salary retention slots back, so maybe an Anderson or a Gallagher gets shipped out. I think they'll be a lot of roster turnover in the next 12 months, but where we stand now, I'm not sure we'll see trades forced just to squeeze in a youngster. I think Hughes will make a move if he feels it's good value for our plan, but I think he's also content to let some of those younger players start the year in Laval.
My thoughts are basically 1) A lot of other teams have improved their roster - not just us on experience, so I don't over estimate expectations 2) Our roster as constructed does not appear to have major uplifting elements beyond a healthy Dach, and healthy Dvorak. Too many If's. 3) Our Division is tough - Detroit has taken strides, Ottawa should have better goaltending and a full season of Pinto. 4) The roster's top 6 just isn't IMO strong enough to compete and our 2nd pairing D is suspect at present, and who knows how are PP will perform. 5) I see as a range between 21 & 25 - I would classify the season as a failure if we get a top 8 pick. I will be surprised if Hutson does not make this team out of the gate. Now maybe it is out of necessity but Jordan Harris made the team in his first year, after 4 reasonable NCAA seasons. Struble surprised everyone by being able to at least play some 50-50 defense (some holes later in the season), after 4 mediocre seasons at Northeastern. Arber with an extra overage season in the OHL, was able to hold his own most nights albeit brought an extra dimension that most don't have. Now Hutson is 2 years younger than Harris / Struble start years, but he actually dominated NCAA by comparisons. Habs don't have to rush Hutson unlike Harris / Xhekaj, and he could be a victim of the numbers game, but if he's ready, hard to keep him out of the lineup. Struble could be sent to Laval in lieu of Hutson, but this just demonstrates the log jam at LHD. One would think they would like to give Engstrom some solid minutes at Laval and not play behind a Hutson or Struble for too long. I don't know what sending Mailloux back to Laval accomplishes given his all star performance last year, and Barron is not waivers exempt, so I agree with the above D lineup swapping Hutson for Struble as a contingency. Makes perfect sense for Reinbacher to develop in Laval pending Savard's inevitable movement. We need another trade / acquisition before we can get into a better level. More or less agreed on the premise of where we are as a team. With respect to Hutson (or any other young player though), I think the situation is less clear after the summer we've had so far. We know Hughes tried to go after Marchessault and Monahan and maybe 1-2 other veterans, but he couldn't find a guy willing to sign for 3 years or less. If he had landed one or two of those line-up changers, then I think this is a different discussion. He still might via trade, but the discussion we're having is based on where we are as a team right now. Without having added some win-now type players to our line-up, we're not really any better off than last year. Again, yes, we will get Dach back and our players will be a year more experienced, but as discussed, a lot of other teams can make similar arguments about having improved. Some teams have probably gotten worse... Florida can't keep their whole roster together, Tampa made some confusing moves, Calgary is pretty bad, Buffalo and LA didn't really make much progress, etc. But most of those teams won't be teams we're likely to pass in the standings regardless. The ones we've been sitting around the past few years mostly got better. Chicago. San Jose. Anaheim. Utah. So while we may be taking a small step forward, so too may those teams.
All that to say that given our failure to put ourselves in a good position to challenge for the playoffs, I don't think the team is going to push players onto the roster unnecessarily just to help them add 2-3 wins. I think they'll consider
1. What's best for the player's development without rushing them. 2. How to juggle contracts to not lose anyone to waivers.
With that in mind, I agree that Hutson seems ready to have a go at the NHL. But there isn't a lot of room for him roster-wise unless they clear out more players than just Kovacevic. And if the longterm plan is to groom Hutson and Reinbacher as a pair (something they were using at development camp last year), I can see them being interested in playing them together as the top pairing in Laval to start the year. There will be trades and injuries as we go, so I suspect both guys will get some NHL games next year. But if Mailloux spent last year in the minors and Barron and Xhekaj both took reasonable turns there too, I don't think they're afraid to park youngsters there to get them ice rather than playing 12-15 minutes in the NHL. Now Matheson, Savard, Harris, and Barron are all waiver-eligible, so they need to stay or be traded if we don't want to lose them for nothing. Guhle isn't going to the minors. So that's 5 guys right there. Past that, it's a decision between Xhekaj, Struble, Hutson, Mailloux, Reinbacher, or any other surprise player from camp for the last 2-3 spots. My guess is that Xhekaj, Struble, and Mailloux are the three guys with the leg up on having spots to lose.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jul 6, 2024 13:40:31 GMT
Well I feel we will make a step forward just based on experience gained as much as anything we have not had such a young team in quite some time and the fact is we lost a lot of one goal games last year so say we win 25% of those due to being a bit better due to experience and add two or three because we have goalies that are more secure and on a regular rotation and perhaps one or two because Dach is in the lineup then there is CC who started slow last season and Slaf who has come into his own...... I suppose it depends on how you view the players we have already if you don't feel they will mature and get better you will feel that the team is treading water if you feel the young players we have are naturally progressing you will be expecting an improvement. When I look at this team and all of the first round picks we already have playing for us it is amazing compared to the dark days of the 2000's, players like these should develop into something better as they gain experience. I for one fully expect some more moves are on the way we can not hold on to all the good D prospects we have we just will not have the room to use them all and it will not be fair to the players either which would cause some unrest inside the team a thing that Hugo seem to understand and try to avoid
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 6, 2024 14:27:53 GMT
^^ I also believe some of our younger players will improve. I think we'll have a better on-ice product than last year. My question is whether that will lead us significantly up the standings. Every team is subject to a risk of injuries or just good/bad luck or so on, so there will always be room for swings, but ultimately, it's going to be hard for us to gain 15-20 points in the standings in one year. If I look at the teams that missed the post-season last year (ie teams we can realistically finish ahead of this coming season), I'd say
- San Jose: improved, albeit maybe not improved enough to pass us - Chicago: improved, going to be close to us in the standings - Columbus: improved, going to be close us in the standings - Arizona: improved, probably moreso than us and likely to finish ahead of us - Ottawa: improved given they have a goalie now, likely to finish ahead of us if they keep it together - Seattle: stagnant, going to be close to us in the standings - Calgary: worse, going to be close to us in the standings - New Jersey: significantly improved, likely to finish ahead of us - Buffalo: stagnant, but probably still slightly ahead of us - Philly: improved, probably slightly ahead of us - Minnesota: improved, likely to finish ahead of us - Pittsburgh: worse, but probably still ahead of us - Detroit: stagnant to slightly improved, probably still ahead of us
I count those teams and I see San Jose as still being worse than us and Chicago, Columbus, Seattle, and Calgary as being in the same range as us. Arizona, Ottawa, Buffalo, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Detroit could theoretically all falter enough to slide into our range. So ultimately, I'd see our most likely finish as being in the 4th to 10th last range right now, subject to changes based on further roster moves.
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Post by regis on Jul 6, 2024 22:37:32 GMT
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Post by regis on Jul 11, 2024 14:56:36 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jul 11, 2024 17:01:55 GMT
Oofff. Signed a 5 year contract, played a total of 95 games for the team (out of a possible 400 or so) and is finally off the books after a buyout. Horrifically bad contract - both for the team & the player. Sure, he got paid, but I suspect if he had signed a contract more in line with his skills, he probbaly would have played for several more years in a smaller role. The funny thing is, people complain "top free agents wont sign in montreal" but Alzer *was* probably the top LHD free agent that summer... he just sucked.
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Post by graeme on Jul 12, 2024 4:55:27 GMT
The funny thing is, people complain "top free agents wont sign in montreal" but Alzer *was* probably the top LHD free agent that summer... he just sucked. Maybe - IIRC at the time old school folks liked him while analytic-minded folks really disliked him. I think analytics can sometimes underrate physical dmen, but in this case they had it bang on.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jul 12, 2024 13:48:22 GMT
He was probably an ok third pairing guy or the stay at home guy on a second pairing but the contract was too big and too long. To top it off we got rid of Marky and a couple of other guys and he was pretty much all we brought in! He was doomed right from the get go.
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Post by maasart on Jul 12, 2024 14:22:11 GMT
The funny thing is, people complain "top free agents wont sign in montreal" but Alzer *was* probably the top LHD free agent that summer... he just sucked. Maybe - IIRC at the time old school folks liked him while analytic-minded folks really disliked him. I think analytics can sometimes underrate physical dmen, but in this case they had it bang on. Oh no question. There were plenty of people who were saying this was not a guy we should be going after but when you look back on the LD defensemen who were available at the time, he was one of the 2 or 3 biggest prizes. The "gift" that kept on giving. lol
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Post by regis on Jul 13, 2024 2:18:31 GMT
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