rkgoalie
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Post by rkgoalie on Jul 31, 2024 13:44:15 GMT
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regis
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Post by regis on Jul 31, 2024 14:11:15 GMT
$5.5 m yr Based on pezzetta s calculations $2.55 m 👏🤣
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Post by claremont on Jul 31, 2024 14:24:24 GMT
Clearly the Habs Management believe in him despite some injury issues and necessarily fabulous statistical metrics. IMO He is a solid 3/4 pairing. Then again, he has size, some grit, some mobility, and versatility to play both sides which can be hard to find. With an increasing projected cap, this is a bit of a risk / gamble that he will pay off and become one of the young core. I am ok with the deal, not necessarily overwhelmed. There are some comparables that make this deal look like an overpay Braden Schneider did a bridge deal with NYR at $2.2M, K'Andre Miller - similar $3.9M Have to conclude that HuGo believe there is strong likelihood that in years 4-6 Guhle could command much more, so it's an overpay upfront.
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Post by HTL on Jul 31, 2024 14:30:47 GMT
It's a solid signing. Not overwelming but certainly not an overpayment IMO. We buy up 2 of his UFA years so there's that to consider when analysing the contract. I think we'll see the benifits once we get him on his correct side of the ice down the road. So far so good for Hughes managing that Cap.
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RCAF48
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Post by RCAF48 on Jul 31, 2024 14:46:44 GMT
At first glance Guhle's contract looks ok for both sides which reflects well on negotiators on both sides of the table.
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Post by maasart on Jul 31, 2024 15:31:59 GMT
At first glance Guhle's contract looks ok for both sides which reflects well on negotiators on both sides of the table. Agree. I like it. Its not like a "wow what a great deal" but it seems fair. He's probably getting $5m on most teams so its not outrageous and could end up being very good value. We have 1 more year at his current contract & then 6 years at the new $5.5m cap hit (which includes 2 UFA seasons). I think it shows the team looks at him as a long-term core player and it fits in well with our internal salary cap structure.
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Post by maasart on Jul 31, 2024 15:38:53 GMT
Clearly the Habs Management believe in him despite some injury issues and necessarily fabulous statistical metrics. IMO He is a solid 3/4 pairing. Then again, he has size, some grit, some mobility, and versatility to play both sides which can be hard to find. With an increasing projected cap, this is a bit of a risk / gamble that he will pay off and become one of the young core. I am ok with the deal, not necessarily overwhelmed. There are some comparables that make this deal look like an overpay Braden Schneider did a bridge deal with NYR at $2.2M, K'Andre Miller - similar $3.9M
Have to conclude that HuGo believe there is strong likelihood that in years 4-6 Guhle could command much more, so it's an overpay upfront. Agree. He's still cheap this upcoming year & then likely an overpay for 1 -2 years but if they feel he's got growth potential then it could be a steal in years 3 - 6 (including 2 UFA season). As i said in the above post: I "like" it but dont love it. I think it seems 'fair' which is never a bad thing. That said, i dont think we're ever going to get full value out of him if we keep playing him on his off-side.
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RCAF48
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Post by RCAF48 on Jul 31, 2024 16:00:58 GMT
"That said, I don't think we're ever going to get full value out of him if we keep playing him on his off-side." said maasart on 31/07/24
And if I was on Guhle's side of the table I would have stressed that........... e.g. "You have limited my client's potential by using him to fill a void in your team composition. As a result my client has exposed himself to injury and lower performance numbers by his deployment in a position that he was unfamiliar with and now is the proper time for you to address this issue."
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jul 31, 2024 19:37:13 GMT
You can see how Hugo are locking in the key players on the team and also keeping other players available to continue evaluating or to use as trade bait, there seems to be a real plan!
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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 1, 2024 0:14:19 GMT
The Guhle contract is reasonably fair. I said before that he was not in the same class as Suzuki/Caufield/Slaf and that he shouldn't be given the same term or AAV, and he wasn't. I still have concerns about his health and whether he goes the route of Andrew Shaw, and I don't see him as being a top-pairing guy, but 5.5M is probably reasonable for a 3-4 guy if he continues to develop down that road.
All that to say, we still have too many LHD. We re-signed Xhekaj. Hutson won't wait 6 years. Matheson is still here. Harris is still here. This contract further pushes the matter that something has to give.
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Post by HTL on Aug 1, 2024 1:44:14 GMT
Read a couple rumours that his agent was asking 8 X 8 ( Sanderson type money), which Hughes shot down. If their's any truth to that at all, than 6 X 5.5 seems like a good deal.
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regis
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Post by regis on Aug 1, 2024 19:46:47 GMT
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Post by HTL on Aug 1, 2024 22:04:56 GMT
Pretty much comitted to the group he has now. We'll see if it's enough in the next couple years.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Aug 2, 2024 11:57:04 GMT
Read a couple rumours that his agent was asking 8 X 8 ( Sanderson type money), which Hughes shot down. If their's any truth to that at all, than 6 X 5.5 seems like a good deal. Yeah. If that is true, good negotiating from Hughes. IMO, Guhle already has to grow into being worth $5.55M AAV. Which I think he will. However, I'm not sure he will ever reach $8+M AAV. He seems like a 3-4 defender to me. Not a top pairing guy. The younger guys I am hopeful might have top pairing potential are Reinbacher and Hutson.
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Post by maasart on Aug 2, 2024 17:02:40 GMT
Read a couple rumours that his agent was asking 8 X 8 ( Sanderson type money), which Hughes shot down. If their's any truth to that at all, than 6 X 5.5 seems like a good deal. Yeah. If that is true, good negotiating from Hughes. IMO, Guhle already has to grow into being worth $5.55M AAV. Which I think he will. However, I'm not sure he will ever reach $8+M AAV. He seems like a 3-4 defender to me. Not a top pairing guy. The younger guys I am hopeful might have top pairing potential are Reinbacher and Hutson. Agree with this. I think that Guhle can probably be a solid #2 with the right partner but the ideal compliment for him would be Hurtson and they are both LHD so on our roster it makes it much more likely he's a #3. If everyone works out though, thats going to be a hell of a top 4. And i agree, 8x8 would have been nuts for him. Im fairly confident 5.5 will be good value in a few years but right now its technically an overpayment so that balances out over the contract. Paying him 8 from the get go would be such a massive overpayment. If the rumours are true that thats what his agent asked for & Hughes managed to get him down to 5.5 - and have Kaiden look absolutely thrilled with his contract - wow... we got a great GM.
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RCAF48
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Post by RCAF48 on Aug 2, 2024 22:30:14 GMT
I hope I am wrong but at this time I don't see Hutson ever being a top pairing guy on a playoff team. Guhle's 5.55M cap hit doesn't begin until 25/26 season so if he stays healthy and continues his methodical progression plus cap growth it may not look like that much of an overpayment then. HUGO giving him 18.8 of the 33.3M in the first 3 years and a limited no trade clause the last two years (a little protection for Guhle at the TD) may have helped him smile. I really hope the contract ages well.
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Post by HTL on Aug 2, 2024 22:50:27 GMT
I hope I am wrong but at this time I don't see Hutson ever being a top pairing guy on a playoff team. We all hope your wrong, but it's certainly not a guarantee by any means.
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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 3, 2024 0:37:52 GMT
I hope I am wrong but at this time I don't see Hutson ever being a top pairing guy on a playoff team. Guhle's 5.55M cap hit doesn't begin until 25/26 season so if he stays healthy and continues his methodical progression plus cap growth it may not look like that much of an overpayment then. HUGO giving him 18.8 of the 33.3M in the first 3 years and a limited no trade clause the last two years (a little protection for Guhle at the TD) may have helped him smile. I really hope the contract ages well. No guarantees on any player, but I feel good about Hutson's chances. He may not end up being a top pairing guy (or he might) but I think his floor is probably being a Mark Streit type player (3rd pairing at ES but puts up a ton of points on the PP). Ceiling is likely in the same line as guys like Quinn Hughes or Adam Fox, both of whom have been just fine in the NHL and led their teams to the playoffs. All about building an entire D corps.
As or Guhle, I think he'll be worth his contract over its terms as long as he doesn't get hurt. He's has a significant injury history thus far, and concussions worry me. I likely would have sold high on him and tried to recoup other assets rather than take that risk. That said, if he stays healthy, you're getting him through his prime, so I'm not worried about this being a contact that pays a guy past his peak years. This isn't a Weber/Petry/Gallagher/Anderson type deal. He's being paid like a #3 guy. He's got to prove he can be that now.
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regis
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Post by regis on Aug 7, 2024 15:14:07 GMT
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Post by maasart on Aug 7, 2024 16:35:57 GMT
Not surprisingly. The eyes on the prize guys are in the middle of their annual top 25 under 25 right now. 23 is Florian Xhekaj, 24 is Jakub Dobes and 25 is Koivu In past years those would be like top 15 prospects. This organization is going to need to start moving some & probably will let some walk.
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