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Post by habsology on Feb 2, 2024 16:06:39 GMT
Monahan going to the Jets!
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Post by HTL on Feb 2, 2024 16:28:10 GMT
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 2, 2024 16:29:17 GMT
Meh not happy if this is in fact the case. need a center right now!
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Post by claremont on Feb 2, 2024 16:41:32 GMT
Monahan going to the Jets! and there it is - not a bad deal IMO
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Post by habsology on Feb 2, 2024 16:44:05 GMT
Meh not happy if this is in fact the case. need a center right now! Yeah pretty much a first. The third round conditional seems to be just as filler.
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Post by claremont on Feb 2, 2024 16:46:44 GMT
Actually re-read on the score - the 3rd round 2027 is conditional on Jets winning the cup so it's a little underwhelming then. Bird in the hand re; Monahan's injury history I guess
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Post by regis on Feb 2, 2024 16:59:29 GMT
Meh not happy if this is in fact the case. need a center right now! Well I guess they can now bring up Liass andersson you all been hoping fir 😄 personally not expecting much considering he’s been let go by 2 other nhl teams and waived by Montreal at training camp and not picked up but we shall see
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Post by booboo on Feb 2, 2024 17:00:23 GMT
I wonder if Sean had a say in this. It’s more than I had originally expected but seems lite after the Lindholm trade
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Post by claremont on Feb 2, 2024 17:20:25 GMT
Meh not happy if this is in fact the case. need a center right now! Well I guess they can now bring up Liass andersson you all been hoping fir 😄 personally not expecting much considering he’s been let go by 2 other nhl teams and waived by Montreal at training camp and not picked up but we shall see Agree - Andersson is worth at least an extended try. if this doesn't motivate him, then nothing will, and his contract didn't cost much as he was an abandoned RFA by the Kings.
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Post by RCAF48 on Feb 2, 2024 17:31:13 GMT
Monahan for the 25th-29th pick that might play a few shifts for us in the 27/28 season. I guess HUGO is counting on this move improving our position in this year's draft.
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Post by maasart on Feb 2, 2024 17:37:55 GMT
Monahan for the 25th-29th pick that might play a few shifts for us in the 27/28 season. I guess HUGO is counting on this move improving our position in this year's draft. He may well use that pick to either move up in the draft or to aquire someone else. We shall have to see but i would say its 50/50 we draft someone with that pick.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 2, 2024 19:26:33 GMT
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Post by maasart on Feb 2, 2024 21:35:14 GMT
Possible, yes, but i dont know how i would feel about it. For those who didnt look at the article, the suggested rumour is: Brendan Gallagher (with 25% of his salary retained) Cayden Primeau Mattias Norlinder Jack Campbell Xavier Bourgault 2025 first-round draft pick If we break it down: Primeau has potential but definite question marks. Norlinder is likely never going to get a chance here. Gallagher is a contract we would like to get rid of. The 2025 first is fine - firsts are always good - although thats a player like likely doesnt suit up for us til like 2028-29. Maybe we trade it again. Campbell is an albatross of a contract. Probably worse than gallagher in so much as he is a goalie. They both ahve 3 seasons after this one & Campbell is about $1.5m per season lower but we'd purportedly be retaining so... Bourgault is presumably the prize but he's not like been lighting it up - if anything, he's regressed a little bit in the AHL this year. Id add him to my team, sure but not at this cost. Id love to get rid of Gallagher's contract and id take on a bad one to do that, but id want it to be 1 year not 3 more years after this one. Id pass.
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Post by claremont on Feb 2, 2024 23:39:28 GMT
Possible, yes, but i dont know how i would feel about it. For those who didnt look at the article, the suggested rumour is: Brendan Gallagher (with 25% of his salary retained) Cayden Primeau Mattias Norlinder Jack Campbell Xavier Bourgault 2025 first-round draft pick If we break it down: Primeau has potential but definite question marks. Norlinder is likely never going to get a chance here. Gallagher is a contract we would like to get rid of. The 2025 first is fine - firsts are always good - although thats a player like likely doesnt suit up for us til like 2028-29. Maybe we trade it again. Campbell is an albatross of a contract. Probably worse than gallagher in so much as he is a goalie. They both ahve 3 seasons after this one & Campbell is about $1.5m per season lower but we'd purportedly be retaining so... Bourgault is presumably the prize but he's not like been lighting it up - if anything, he's regressed a little bit in the AHL this year. Id add him to my team, sure but not at this cost. Id love to get rid of Gallagher's contract and id take on a bad one to do that, but id want it to be 1 year not 3 more years after this one. Id pass. That is an interesting one. Trades a problem for a problem. Gallagher based on years of service deserves a chance to win, and could be an asset to the Oilers even at $4.875M retained. Campbell - will never play a game for us in all likelihood and is dead cap. Bourgault and the 2025 draft pick are greater value than Norlinder and Primeau (with Fowler likely to arrive after Jake Allen's contract expires). I just hate using the retention slot. At least Gallagher can get injured and we can push him into LTIR. I would probably pass too.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 3, 2024 0:24:04 GMT
Possible, yes, but i dont know how i would feel about it. For those who didnt look at the article, the suggested rumour is: Brendan Gallagher (with 25% of his salary retained) Cayden Primeau Mattias Norlinder Jack Campbell Xavier Bourgault 2025 first-round draft pick If we break it down: Primeau has potential but definite question marks. Norlinder is likely never going to get a chance here. Gallagher is a contract we would like to get rid of. The 2025 first is fine - firsts are always good - although thats a player like likely doesnt suit up for us til like 2028-29. Maybe we trade it again. Campbell is an albatross of a contract. Probably worse than gallagher in so much as he is a goalie. They both ahve 3 seasons after this one & Campbell is about $1.5m per season lower but we'd purportedly be retaining so... Bourgault is presumably the prize but he's not like been lighting it up - if anything, he's regressed a little bit in the AHL this year. Id add him to my team, sure but not at this cost. Id love to get rid of Gallagher's contract and id take on a bad one to do that, but id want it to be 1 year not 3 more years after this one. Id pass. That is an interesting one. Trades a problem for a problem. Gallagher based on years of service deserves a chance to win, and could be an asset to the Oilers even at $4.875M retained. Campbell - will never play a game for us in all likelihood and is dead cap. Bourgault and the 2025 draft pick are greater value than Norlinder and Primeau (with Fowler likely to arrive after Jake Allen's contract expires). I just hate using the retention slot. At least Gallagher can get injured and we can push him into LTIR. I would probably pass too. Maybe if there is no retention it may be easier to swallow. This trade does waste the value of a retention slot. Agreed.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 3, 2024 1:18:26 GMT
Possible, yes, but i dont know how i would feel about it. For those who didnt look at the article, the suggested rumour is: Brendan Gallagher (with 25% of his salary retained) Cayden Primeau Mattias Norlinder Jack Campbell Xavier Bourgault 2025 first-round draft pick If we break it down: Primeau has potential but definite question marks. Norlinder is likely never going to get a chance here. Gallagher is a contract we would like to get rid of. The 2025 first is fine - firsts are always good - although thats a player like likely doesnt suit up for us til like 2028-29. Maybe we trade it again. Campbell is an albatross of a contract. Probably worse than gallagher in so much as he is a goalie. They both ahve 3 seasons after this one & Campbell is about $1.5m per season lower but we'd purportedly be retaining so... Bourgault is presumably the prize but he's not like been lighting it up - if anything, he's regressed a little bit in the AHL this year. Id add him to my team, sure but not at this cost. Id love to get rid of Gallagher's contract and id take on a bad one to do that, but id want it to be 1 year not 3 more years after this one. Id pass.
It's an interesting proposition (albeit the source isn't the best, so this might just be clickbait)... here's how I'd break this down:
- Gallagher and Primeau vs. Bourgault and Campbell: each team is getting one forward and one goalie. In this case, we're giving away the salary dump at forward and the Oilers are giving away the salary dump in net. With 25% salary retention, we'd actually be taking on more money than Edmonton AND we'd be losing a retention slot for 3.5 years. That 2nd part is a tough pill to swallow. In general, I'd view Gallagher as being the more useful of the two players. You can keep Gallagher on your roster and play him on the 4th line and he contributes a little bit. Campbell would be a back-up at best and could very well just end up staying in the minors. But all in all, I think both players are pretty irrelevant. Likewise, Primeau has got upside as a potential goalie of the future, but I think his odds of being a starter are still low. Bourgault probably projects as a middle 6 player but may amount to nothing either. Both of these players have low floors and mid ceilings. I don't expect either to be a star. Which player would be more valuable to us? A year ago, I might have said Primeau, but Montembeault is now signed through the next 3 years and thereafter, I think we have higher hopes that Fowler or even Dobes would supplant him. So Primeau has probably become more expendable from an organizational standpoint. Our organizational depth at center isn't great, although it's also questionable as to whether Bourgault is any more valuable than Beck (who projects as our 3C of the future) or Mesar. Overall, I think this is also pretty close to a wash in terms of overall value to us. So overall, I think Gallagher/Primeau probably has a touch more value to us than Campbell/Bourgault and the salary trade-off is slightly disadvantageous with the 25% retention. Then on top of that, factor in losing a retention spot for the next 4 years. So this part of the deal is a loss to me.
- The rest would then be Norlinder for a 1st: obviously, this part would be a huge win, since the Habs seem to have once again written Norlinder off after a strong camp. We'd do this deal any day of the week.
That means the question is whether adding a late 1st rounder is worth giving up a retention slot for 4 years and losing some positional value by taking on a big salary in the back-up goalie slot. I think the 1st rounder helps, and if you had offered me a similar deal two years ago it would have been an easy yes. But at this stage, I think that retention slot could become valuable to us, and we might want to move out another big contract (Anderson, Armia, etc.) over the next year to free up cap space. I'd be happy to use a retention slot to get rid of Gallagher, but not if we're also taking back Campbell. I think overall this is a bit of a closer decision for me than it is for you, but ultimately, I'd probably pass on this as well. But if the deal were tweaked such that the salary retention on Gallagher were removed and we threw in a 3rd rounder, I'd bite. I suspect Edmonton would also say no to the trade as written, as I don't really see how Gallagher and Primeau improve their chances enough to make this deal worth it to them. They could probably find a team to take Campbell's salary in exchange for getting Bourgault and a 1st, without having to absorb a contract like Gallagher's (which would then free them up to take on another contract in a separate trade or signing).
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Post by claremont on Feb 4, 2024 0:19:55 GMT
I will change the subject slightly - Which player is next up in demand, and should we use our 1 dead cap retention slot to move him?
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Post by regis on Feb 4, 2024 1:31:02 GMT
👆I don’t think he’s in demand but I think management tries to move Pearson . Good luck on that . The return is nothing of significance . If he can be moved at all
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Post by electron58 on Feb 4, 2024 1:36:42 GMT
I will change the subject slightly - Which player is next up in demand, and should we use our 1 dead cap retention slot to move him? Tough question. With Petry still having term after this year & Edmundson coming off the books after this year (when is it actually?) We may want to use it on an expiring contract but do we have anybody? Otherwise the return would have to be significant if we were to retain on say a Savard or Armia. The other option is to help broker a deal in a 3-way. My gut feeling is that nothing more major will happen.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 4, 2024 2:05:08 GMT
I will change the subject slightly - Which player is next up in demand, and should we use our 1 dead cap retention slot to move him? This is the list of players we still have who don't fit into our longterm plans if you're building an ideal roster to push for a Cup in a few years:
- Gallagher - Anderson - Evans - Armia - Pearson - Dvorak
- Matheson - Savard
- Allen
There are other guys who might well get moved, specifically with respect to the logjam at LHD. But if we're looking to make deadline deals this year and/or retain a contract, it's probably coming from this group or from helping another team out in a trade. I actually think it's more likely we go this second route to be honest. But if we look at our own roster for now, Dvorak is hurt and staying. Gallagher and Anderson are on longterm deals that overpay them, so I don't think they're likely to be deadline deals either. Matheson is still useful to us, and I don't think Hughes is looking to trade him, so the only reason he'll see fit to do this is if the offer blows him away (which means he's probably not willing to do another team a favor by retaining salary). So that whittles us down to Evans, Armia, Pearson, Savard, and Allen as the real candidates to be moved by the deadline. I'd suggest 4 of those players have minimal trade value. We missed the boat on trading Allen and Anderson, and I hope we don't do the same with Matheson in the near future, but for the moment, I don't see a big advantage to retaining money on most of this list. If the return on Evans is a 4th or 5th rounder and it gets upgraded one round to retain some money on him, is that really helping you that much? Not really. If you're retaining on Allen or Armia, it's because you just want to move that contract, but again, I don't think the return is going to be huge. It's going to be a mid-round draft pick. Pearson's a guy you can retain on as a default if you get down to the 11th hour and don't have a deal to broker. But again, I'd expect Pearson garners a 3rd rounder give or take, depending on how well he plays over the next month.
The only player we have who is really of interest to trade as a deadline deal is Savard. He's got an outside shot of landing you a 1st rounder, akin to the Chiarot deal of a couple of years ago. I think it's more likely he gets us a 2nd rounder and a prospect, but that move still frees up some salary and a roster spot for us.
All in all, I think Monahan was the big move we had to make. I expect Pearson to be dealt. I expect the Habs will try hard to move Allen. But if we're looking to add to our cupboards in a real way, it'll take moving a Savard, Matheson, Xhekaj, Guhle, Montembeault, or Newhook, and I suspect the only guy off that list who is more than 30% likelihood to move is Savard. Xhekaj is probably the only other guy with something of a chance to be shipped out, and I think Hughes is only doing that if the return is a top 15 pick or equivalent prospect.
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