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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 30, 2023 23:34:47 GMT
If it's not confirmed but you heard about it...
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Post by maasart on Aug 2, 2023 15:21:05 GMT
Not a lot of talk out there right now. I think there's so many unknowns on the team that Im not sure if Hughes even knows what he's going to do yet.
The most persistent ones are
- Habs trying to acquire Lafreniere. Makes some sense. French, low value, Gorton draft pick, could flourish under MSL. Im not sure what the Rags would want. They are much further along in their rebuild & just starting to contend. Would a deal centred around Laf for Anderson make sense? If we are indeed considering moving Anderson, is this the best use of the asset? or are we better off looking for high draft picks?
- Dvorak to Boston. There's no question they need help there but would they truly be interested in CD? If its true, i doubt the return would be anything major unfortunately. I think he's still a positive asset but you're at best going to get an underwhelming draft pick + prospect for him.
- Habs trying to move Hoffman & Armia. These are two negative assets right now (not horrible but not bringing you back much of anything) but too many teams are tight against the cap so the suitors are very limited.
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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 8, 2023 20:58:09 GMT
A few notable RFAs still unsigned including the guy who has continuously been linked to the Habs and Jeff Gorton, Alexis Lafreniere. Now the Rangers simply lack cap space (I believe they have about 2.3M left), so they're vulnerable to an offersheet. However, the Habs don't have their own 2nd rounder next year on account of the dumb Dvorak trade, so they can't offersheet anything in a reasonable range. Would have to OS a bit over 4M to be able to do it and even then, this would cost them next year's 1st rounder and 3rd rounder. Is that really something you risk doing when you likely have a lottery pick? You shouldn't.
That means the Habs would need to be working on a trade if they want AL. The next problem, however, is that the Rangers don't have anyone they can just give away to clear cap space... we're not going to want to take on Zibanejad, Kreider, Panarin, Trocheck, Goodrow, Trouba, etc. as near-30 or over-30 players on longterm deals. So I just don't see what kind of fit would be there. Sure, we could take a Chytil or Lindgren off the Rangers' hands but the Rangers still want to retain those guys and if we're adding them on top of AL, then what kind of a return do we need to give up? Too much. Hard to make a deal work here even if we want the player. I think we'd almost have to be looking at making it a Lafreniere for Slafkovsky 1v1 trade, which doesn't interest me all that much to be honest.
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Post by maasart on Aug 8, 2023 21:31:02 GMT
I think we'd almost have to be looking at making it a Lafreniere for Slafkovsky 1v1 trade, which doesn't interest me all that much to be honest. That wouldnt interest me at ALL. There's a chance Laf does finally get up to expectations & obviously being quebecois helps but beyond that...i think the chances of Slaf being a better player than AF - at this point - are higher. A year for now, maybe we're having a different discussion but so far Slaf has played 39 games & had a lot to adjust to. Laf has played over 200 and still hasnt shown me more than Slaf. Id take him for sure but i wouldnt give a lot for him.
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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 8, 2023 21:39:54 GMT
I think we'd almost have to be looking at making it a Lafreniere for Slafkovsky 1v1 trade, which doesn't interest me all that much to be honest. That wouldnt interest me at ALL. There's a chance Laf does finally get up to expectations & obviously being quebecois helps but beyond that...i think the chances of Slaf being a better player than AF - at this point - are higher. A year for now, maybe we're having a different discussion but so far Slaf has played 39 games & had a lot to adjust to. Laf has played over 200 and still hasnt shown me more than Slaf. Id take him for sure but i wouldnt give a lot for him. That's always been my philosophy. You want the guy with the highest ceiling. Both guys have similar roles that they'd hit if they develop well, but with Lafreniere being further down the line and being paid more and still not having become anything to write home about, you take the guy with more room to grow. This was also the argument in favor of keeping Kotkaniemi over adding Dvorak and the argument for drafting a Nazar instead of trading for Dach. No guarantees, but I'd keep Slaf over Lafreniere for now. I'm not against having both, but the type of deal that works for us (e.g. trading Anderson for AL) doesn't really work for the Rangers' cap and may not be as intriguing as it would have been to them last year after they already added Wheeler.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Aug 8, 2023 22:06:06 GMT
That wouldnt interest me at ALL. There's a chance Laf does finally get up to expectations & obviously being quebecois helps but beyond that...i think the chances of Slaf being a better player than AF - at this point - are higher. A year for now, maybe we're having a different discussion but so far Slaf has played 39 games & had a lot to adjust to. Laf has played over 200 and still hasnt shown me more than Slaf. Id take him for sure but i wouldnt give a lot for him. That's always been my philosophy. You want the guy with the highest ceiling. Both guys have similar roles that they'd hit if they develop well, but with Lafreniere being further down the line and being paid more and still not having become anything to write home about, you take the guy with more room to grow. This was also the argument in favor of keeping Kotkaniemi over adding Dvorak and the argument for drafting a Nazar instead of trading for Dach. No guarantees, but I'd keep Slaf over Lafreniere for now. I'm not against having both, but the type of deal that works for us (e.g. trading Anderson for AL) doesn't really work for the Rangers' cap and may not be as intriguing as it would have been to them last year after they already added Wheeler. I agree with this if we could get Lafreniere for a song then sure give him a shot but I don't want to give up any promising prospects for him at all!
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Post by maasart on Aug 9, 2023 15:31:26 GMT
Rumors are that the Dallas stars are very interested in Petry.
The question is: Is Dallas on his no trade list? Its in the US (and has one of the lowest tax brackets) but its further away from Michigan so...
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Post by HTL on Aug 9, 2023 15:32:56 GMT
Rumors are that the Dallas stars are very interested in Petry. The question is: Is Dallas on his no trade list? Its in the US (and has one of the lowest tax brackets) but its further away from Michigan so... When a guy with a NTL is traded, does that list go with him?
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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 9, 2023 15:35:44 GMT
Rumors are that the Dallas stars are very interested in Petry. The question is: Is Dallas on his no trade list? Its in the US (and has one of the lowest tax brackets) but its further away from Michigan so... Although Julie Petry is from Texas, so maybe that still works for them.
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Post by regis on Aug 9, 2023 15:36:03 GMT
The wife is originally from Houston Texas 🤷
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Post by maasart on Aug 9, 2023 16:50:28 GMT
Rumors are that the Dallas stars are very interested in Petry. The question is: Is Dallas on his no trade list? Its in the US (and has one of the lowest tax brackets) but its further away from Michigan so... When a guy with a NTL is traded, does that list go with him? It does - as long as he doesnt waive it I believe (even then it may carry over after teh initial waive?). When Dadanov was traded to LV, they werent on his NT list but when they tried to send him to Anaheim, he stopped it.
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Post by maasart on Aug 9, 2023 16:51:11 GMT
Rumors are that the Dallas stars are very interested in Petry. The question is: Is Dallas on his no trade list? Its in the US (and has one of the lowest tax brackets) but its further away from Michigan so... Although Julie Petry is from Texas, so maybe that still works for them. Good point. Her immediate family all lives in Michigan i believe but im assuming she has some extended fam in Tx.
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Post by claremont on Aug 9, 2023 23:36:45 GMT
Although Julie Petry is from Texas, so maybe that still works for them. Good point. Her immediate family all lives in Michigan i believe but im assuming she has some extended fam in Tx. Dallas will be a tough trade - they are over cap by $317k -nd at roster limit of 23 - presumably they drop a fringe player and go with a 22 man roster and cap comply with $400k-$500k of room. The question becomes how can they afford Petry (the Stars RHD is admittedly not strong) at even $2.35m salary retained. I don’t see Hughes taking Matt Duchene at $3m back with our forwards depth/log jam. There isn’t much in Dallas beyond draft picks that are intriguing unless you go with small forward prospect Mavrik Bourque - I don’t see Dallas as a realistic target On Lafraniere - stranger things have happened but the Rangers have great depth at RHD - Trouba / Fox / Schneider so I don’t see Petry fulfilling a need for them. Now Minny Wild lost Dumba from their RHD and have little cap room - could we see Minny give us Jon Merrill who we might bury in the minors plus a draft pick or prospect Liam Ohgren for a salary retained Petry? I still think Carolina makes the most sense for Petry assuming the Canes clear some cap space
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Post by habulator on Aug 10, 2023 1:29:00 GMT
Good point. Her immediate family all lives in Michigan i believe but im assuming she has some extended fam in Tx. Dallas will be a tough trade - they are over cap by $317k -nd at roster limit of 23 - presumably they drop a fringe player and go with a 22 man roster and cap comply with $400k-$500k of room. The question becomes how can they afford Petry (the Stars RHD is admittedly not strong) at even $2.35m salary retained. I don’t see Hughes taking Matt Duchene at $3m back with our forwards depth/log jam. There isn’t much in Dallas beyond draft picks that are intriguing unless you go with small forward prospect Mavrik Bourque - I don’t see Dallas as a realistic target On Lafraniere - stranger things have happened but the Rangers have great depth at RHD - Trouba / Fox / Schneider so I don’t see Petry fulfilling a need for them. Now Minny Wild lost Dumba from their RHD and have little cap room - could we see Minny give us Jon Merrill who we might bury in the minors plus a draft pick or prospect Liam Ohgren for a salary retained Petry? I still think Carolina makes the most sense for Petry assuming the Canes clear some cap space Who really knows what might happen? I can envision easily where Petry plays for us until the deadline and then moved. At that point his salary isn't large for the rest of the season, and then next season the cap will go up that little bit to make it that much more palatable in terms of finding room for a contract such as a retained salary Petry. I'd think that a deal for a guy like that should bring back something of some value.
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Post by maasart on Aug 10, 2023 15:59:38 GMT
Dallas will be a tough trade - they are over cap by $317k -nd at roster limit of 23 - presumably they drop a fringe player and go with a 22 man roster and cap comply with $400k-$500k of room. The question becomes how can they afford Petry (the Stars RHD is admittedly not strong) at even $2.35m salary retained. I don’t see Hughes taking Matt Duchene at $3m back with our forwards depth/log jam. There isn’t much in Dallas beyond draft picks that are intriguing unless you go with small forward prospect Mavrik Bourque - I don’t see Dallas as a realistic target On Lafraniere - stranger things have happened but the Rangers have great depth at RHD - Trouba / Fox / Schneider so I don’t see Petry fulfilling a need for them. Now Minny Wild lost Dumba from their RHD and have little cap room - could we see Minny give us Jon Merrill who we might bury in the minors plus a draft pick or prospect Liam Ohgren for a salary retained Petry? I still think Carolina makes the most sense for Petry assuming the Canes clear some cap space Who really knows what might happen? I can envision easily where Petry plays for us until the deadline and then moved. At that point his salary isn't large for the rest of the season, and then next season the cap will go up that little bit to make it that much more palatable in terms of finding room for a contract such as a retained salary Petry. I'd think that a deal for a guy like that should bring back something of some value. Im sure Hughes is keeping all his options open. The face the team still hasnt posted a 'welcome' (or welcome back) post is definitely a bit odd though. Someone posted a vid of their official roster. De Smith is listed under Goalies but Petry is not listed under defensemen. It could mean nothing but its unusual based on how the team usually does things.
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Post by regis on Aug 10, 2023 16:33:35 GMT
I dint think mrs P has mentioned how happy she is 😂to return to Montreal either
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Post by maasart on Aug 10, 2023 16:37:25 GMT
I dint think mrs P has mentioned how happy she is 😂to return to Montreal either Haha, nope. The funny thing is, Ive spoken with her many times (she got the drawing I did of Jeff from me) and she's always been super sweet & nice. I am sure a lot of what has happened has been blown out of proportion as is often the case in the media. I read "Pitlick demanded trade" on one site and then elsewhere read that hughes confirmed that Pitlick said he would welcome a different opportunity of there wasn't going to be any chances for him to play in montreal.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Aug 10, 2023 16:40:22 GMT
I dint think mrs P has mentioned how happy she is 😂to return to Montreal either Haha, nope. The funny thing is, Ive spoken with her many times (she got the drawing I did of Jeff from me) and she's always been super sweet & nice. I am sure a lot of what has happened has been blown out of proportion as is often the case in the media. I read "Pitlick demanded trade" on one site and then elsewhere read that hughes confirmed that Pitlick said he would welcome a different opportunity of there wasn't going to be any chances for him to play in montreal. A lot of times folks hype that stuff up to get traffic on sites they have, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle!
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Post by regis on Aug 10, 2023 16:58:22 GMT
Nothing against pitlick but he was placed on waivers by Nashville then Minnesota and I believe Montreal placed him last year . He knew where he stood here . Like all players they want to play in the NHL and he knew his chances in Montreal were not good . Good luck in Pittsburg.
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Post by maasart on Aug 10, 2023 18:53:36 GMT
Nothing against pitlick but he was placed on waivers by Nashville then Minnesota and I believe Montreal placed him last year . He knew where he stood here . Like all players they want to play in the NHL and he knew his chances in Montreal were not good . Good luck in Pittsburg. Oh for sure. My point was that the media often blows this stuff out of proportion. It sounds like he just told Hughes he'd love a change of scenery and a different chance & next thing you know we're being told he demanded a trade.
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