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Post by claremont on Nov 29, 2023 13:10:52 GMT
"Hearing Vancouver is trading Anthony Beauvillier to Chicago" as per Elliotte Friedman. Well as per regis on " Around The League - Everyone But The Habs " = done deal. Definite cap dump. Vancouver GM doing good work there. Kind of a desperate move by Vancouver IMO - a 3/4 year journeyman player for a 5th round pick. Other than cap space the Nucks got nothing and the Hawks get a player that replaces Corey Perry. Once again shows that a player without term and a mid cap hit is worth squat. And some think Monty could fetch a 1st round pick? On the plus side Vancouver just entered the race for a higher quality d-man whether it be Zadorov, Tanev or even our David Savard.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 30, 2023 3:43:06 GMT
Adding some fuel to the fire, Edmonton had 3 scouts at tonight's game, including their goaltending coach. So they might have had some interest in seeing Montembeault. On the other hand, the scouts were also there for Columbus' last game against Boston, so they might have been there for Merzlikins instead or as well. But on a third hand, Merzlikins didn't play against Boston, so that didn't really put those scouts any further ahead if they were there for him. Hard to know what Edmonton was in fact doing (does anyone even know?), but it seems clear they are not that happy with riding out their current goaltending situation and seem interested in making some kind of a move.
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Post by archey on Nov 30, 2023 12:12:33 GMT
Adding some fuel to the fire, Edmonton had 3 scouts at tonight's game, including their goaltending coach. So they might have had some interest in seeing Montembeault. On the other hand, the scouts were also there for Columbus' last game against Boston, so they might have been there for Merzlikins instead or as well. But on a third hand, Merzlikins didn't play against Boston, so that didn't really put those scouts any further ahead if they were there for him. Hard to know what Edmonton was in fact doing (does anyone even know?), but it seems clear they are not that happy with riding out their current goaltending situation and seem interested in making some kind of a move. You mean you weren't impressed with how well Sam would have played for Allthemorningnewshaus Bay City? Like 15 shutouts in a row. The coach obviously had something to take back when one is playing in a cycle of 3 goalies. Pretty unusual and very psychological. To my mind anyhow. That's one explanation. You probably have your own. Lol
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Post by regis on Dec 1, 2023 15:09:20 GMT
Well Sammy m just got a 3 year contract extension
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Post by ramcharger440 on Dec 3, 2023 20:24:25 GMT
Ok this probably not a rumor but what about a guy like Laine? he is a left winger he is youngish he has hands could we look at a guy like that? He has had a tough season but we could perhaps get him at some kind of reasonable return? perhaps one of our young D with whatever else to help us when he is on he is elite and that is kind or what we need to add to the sauce I feel like we are going to be ok on D moving forward but really have no offence and he would really help us there and playing in a hockey town might float his boat.
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Post by claremont on Dec 3, 2023 21:56:18 GMT
Ok this probably not a rumor but what about a guy like Laine? he is a left winger he is youngish he has hands could we look at a guy like that? He has had a tough season but we could perhaps get him at some kind of reasonable return? perhaps one of our young D with whatever else to help us when he is on he is elite and that is kind or what we need to add to the sauce I feel like we are going to be ok on D moving forward but really have no offence and he would really help us there and playing in a hockey town might float his boat. That's hard one - He comes with an $8.7M (would be highest paid player on the team), and a 10 team NTC (doubt we are on his list but you never know with Quebec taxes). Seems to me you pick up a Laine when you are close to a compete window. I just don't see us there for next year either, so it's really only a 1 year deal in my mind. Strikes me as a Jonathan Drouin trade where we are trying to appoint a saviour - I know you said reasonable cost but I doubt Columbus retains any salary and it would have to be a pretty good D man. I'll say pass on the opportunity.
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Post by HTL on Dec 3, 2023 22:28:42 GMT
Ok this probably not a rumor but what about a guy like Laine? he is a left winger he is youngish he has hands could we look at a guy like that? He has had a tough season but we could perhaps get him at some kind of reasonable return? perhaps one of our young D with whatever else to help us when he is on he is elite and that is kind or what we need to add to the sauce I feel like we are going to be ok on D moving forward but really have no offence and he would really help us there and playing in a hockey town might float his boat. That's hard one - He comes with an $8.7M (would be highest paid player on the team), and a 10 team NTC (doubt we are on his list but you never know with Quebec taxes). Seems to me you pick up a Laine when you are close to a compete window. I just don't see us there for next year either, so it's really only a 1 year deal in my mind. Strikes me as a Jonathan Drouin trade where we are trying to appoint a saviour - I know you said reasonable cost but I doubt Columbus retains any salary and it would have to be a pretty good D man. I'll say pass on the opportunity. I somewhat agree. He's an expensive guy to add for somebody who seems to have past issues. Don't know much about the guy other than he might be some kind of primadona needing special treatment to keep him happy and productive. For that much money i want a player as close to a sure thing as possible.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Dec 3, 2023 23:10:11 GMT
I used Laine as an example mostly although he could excel here and is young enough to be around for a while, I think we need to start looking for a deal like that where we pick up an impact player so that next season we have the scoring punch to start winning the tight games. One thing I agree with Ted on is we will need some elite talent up front for sure to be contenders. No one is going to trade us a Bedard or a Matthews or a player like Crosby in his prime but I kind of regard those guys as beyond elite they are unicorns to some degree so unless we suck hard in a crazy draft year when the next great one is up for grabs we are going to have to move quality for quality and our area of strength is we do have some really good D prospects and players if we can find the right team that is top heavy but short on D and perhaps need a goalie and some filler for a cup run I feel we should really look at a move like that.
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Post by claremont on Dec 3, 2023 23:30:01 GMT
I used Laine as an example mostly although he could excel here and is young enough to be around for a while, I think we need to start looking for a deal like that where we pick up an impact player so that next season we have the scoring punch to start winning the tight games. One thing I agree with Ted on is we will need some elite talent up front for sure to be contenders. No one is going to trade us a Bedard or a Matthews or a player like Crosby in his prime but I kind of regard those guys as beyond elite they are unicorns to some degree so unless we suck hard in a crazy draft year when the next great one is up for grabs we are going to have to move quality for quality and our area of strength is we do have some really good D prospects and players if we can find the right team that is top heavy but short on D and perhaps need a goalie and some filler for a cup run I feel we should really look at a move like that. I don’t disagree with the need upfront. It pains me to no end that we have no scoring punch beyond Suzuki or Caufield. That’s a lot of pressure on those 2 to carry, especially with Josh who is a minor secondary scorer in a huge slump. I just get nervous on another Drouin where we give up a lot to acquire a “maybe”, or someone you hope will rebound and have an upswing. Goal scorers don’t grow on trees and a free agent buy like a Nylander can be expensive and they are usually older about to experience a decline. I’ll look around for some alternatives to a Laine.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Dec 4, 2023 0:26:24 GMT
I hear ya and really we need a couple of guys to be a true force in the league this is where we will see what Hugo are made of.
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Post by BigTed3 on Dec 4, 2023 1:10:14 GMT
I used Laine as an example mostly although he could excel here and is young enough to be around for a while, I think we need to start looking for a deal like that where we pick up an impact player so that next season we have the scoring punch to start winning the tight games. One thing I agree with Ted on is we will need some elite talent up front for sure to be contenders. No one is going to trade us a Bedard or a Matthews or a player like Crosby in his prime but I kind of regard those guys as beyond elite they are unicorns to some degree so unless we suck hard in a crazy draft year when the next great one is up for grabs we are going to have to move quality for quality and our area of strength is we do have some really good D prospects and players if we can find the right team that is top heavy but short on D and perhaps need a goalie and some filler for a cup run I feel we should really look at a move like that.
Laine is a tough call. He's definitely got the pedigree and he's still in his prime age-wise, though his production has dropped off from his earlier success, so the trend is all wrong and there are attitude questions there, just as there were with PLD. He's absolutely a guy I would take a flier on if the contract were better. If you could get him for a Josh-Andersnon-like AAV, then it could make sense. But 8.7M is a lot of money to be wrong on. If he ends up being Drouin/Hoffman/Anderson/Armia/Gallagher but at 8.7M, that could hurt your team big time. The good news is that the contract isn't that long, but it would cut into our anticipated window to be better.
Short answer: I would still have interest in trading for Laine, but the Blue Jackets would either have to retain salary or be willing to take someone else back. Laine for Anderson straight up? Sure. We get the better younger player but they get a guy they've been interested in reacquiring and they get the lower salary. The Jackets have made moves suggesting they want to try and win sooner rather than later despite their young core. They've also been rumored to have made Boqvist or Peeke available as well as to have soured a bit on Kent Johnson, and Johnson and Boqvist are players who interest me more than Laine. Less proven, but cheaper and with room to grow substantially.
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Post by regis on Dec 5, 2023 0:31:47 GMT
www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/canadiens-may-make-trade-do-what-s-best-for-cayden-primeau/ar-AA1kZGof?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=19485f4f6f7f48a5a56011b8a2efd122&ei=29ESPN analyst Kevin Weekes dropped some interesting information as it pertains to the goaltending situation in Montreal. Speaking about Sam Montembeault’s new contract extension and the three-headed goalie dilemma the team now faces, a decision is coming. Specifically, Weekes believes that decision has to do with the future of Cayden Primeau. He wonders if Montreal either finds room, or does the right thing and moves him in a trade Noting that Jake Allen is a veteran who can still play very well, the team committed to Montembeault with this new extension. They expect him to take his game to the next level. Montembeault earned his new contract extension. But, the Habs now have three goalies and room for only two. Weekes points out that Primeau is waiver eligible. They don’t want to risk losing him for nothing and they either need to find a way to get him into the mix or move him. If they can’t include him in the conversation about being one of two goalies on the roster, Weekes argues: “Perhaps do what’s best for the player and help facilitate a trade that benefits Montreal but also gives him the opportunity to play somewhere else in the NHL and play some minutes, because that’s where he is in his development cycle. He need more games. He’s only played five out of 24 this season.” What Would a Trade Look Like for Primeau? The issue for Montreal is that Primeau hasn’t necessarily played enough games to warrant a big return in a trade. At $890K, he’s an affordable option for a team, but clubs aren’t going to make a deal for him thinking he’ll be a solution come playoff time. There’s just no proof he can handle that kind of responsibility yet. With only 26 games on his NHL resume, he’s a prospect for the future. Frankly, if it weren’t for waivers, the Canadiens would have sent him down. They might have to make a smaller deal, or include Primeau in a larger package. The return won’t be great. If the Habs don’t want to give him way, perhaps Allen is other alternative.
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Post by maasart on Dec 5, 2023 0:45:38 GMT
I used Laine as an example mostly although he could excel here and is young enough to be around for a while, I think we need to start looking for a deal like that where we pick up an impact player so that next season we have the scoring punch to start winning the tight games. One thing I agree with Ted on is we will need some elite talent up front for sure to be contenders. No one is going to trade us a Bedard or a Matthews or a player like Crosby in his prime but I kind of regard those guys as beyond elite they are unicorns to some degree so unless we suck hard in a crazy draft year when the next great one is up for grabs we are going to have to move quality for quality and our area of strength is we do have some really good D prospects and players if we can find the right team that is top heavy but short on D and perhaps need a goalie and some filler for a cup run I feel we should really look at a move like that.
Laine is a tough call. He's definitely got the pedigree and he's still in his prime age-wise, though his production has dropped off from his earlier success, so the trend is all wrong and there are attitude questions there, just as there were with PLD. He's absolutely a guy I would take a flier on if the contract were better. If you could get him for a Josh-Andersnon-like AAV, then it could make sense. But 8.7M is a lot of money to be wrong on. If he ends up being Drouin/Hoffman/Anderson/Armia/Gallagher but at 8.7M, that could hurt your team big time. The good news is that the contract isn't that long, but it would cut into our anticipated window to be better.
Short answer: I would still have interest in trading for Laine, but the Blue Jackets would either have to retain salary or be willing to take someone else back. Laine for Anderson straight up? Sure. We get the better younger player but they get a guy they've been interested in reacquiring and they get the lower salary. The Jackets have made moves suggesting they want to try and win sooner rather than later despite their young core. They've also been rumored to have made Boqvist or Peeke available as well as to have soured a bit on Kent Johnson, and Johnson and Boqvist are players who interest me more than Laine. Less proven, but cheaper and with room to grow substantially.
I just cant see them doing Laine for Anderson 1 for 1 (even with that cap saving). I do think they might be interested in Laine for say, Anderson + Harris or Struble. They have a strong defense but a little depth in their bottom 3-5 is probably something they'd love to add.
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Post by regis on Dec 5, 2023 0:47:38 GMT
I used Laine as an example mostly although he could excel here and is young enough to be around for a while, I think we need to start looking for a deal like that where we pick up an impact player so that next season we have the scoring punch to start winning the tight games. One thing I agree with Ted on is we will need some elite talent up front for sure to be contenders. No one is going to trade us a Bedard or a Matthews or a player like Crosby in his prime but I kind of regard those guys as beyond elite they are unicorns to some degree so unless we suck hard in a crazy draft year when the next great one is up for grabs we are going to have to move quality for quality and our area of strength is we do have some really good D prospects and players if we can find the right team that is top heavy but short on D and perhaps need a goalie and some filler for a cup run I feel we should really look at a move like that. If I understand correctly you believe we need some elite talent up front . And our bargaining chip Is we have some really good D prospects . I don’t think anyone is going to trade us an elite forward for a Really good D prospect . Why give up On something you know is proven , that elite forward , for a D prospect , that is unproven . Sure we got a lot of D prospects but are any of them going to be for sure #1 D men ? And if they are we should IMO keep them Ourselves
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Post by ramcharger440 on Dec 5, 2023 2:27:09 GMT
I used Laine as an example mostly although he could excel here and is young enough to be around for a while, I think we need to start looking for a deal like that where we pick up an impact player so that next season we have the scoring punch to start winning the tight games. One thing I agree with Ted on is we will need some elite talent up front for sure to be contenders. No one is going to trade us a Bedard or a Matthews or a player like Crosby in his prime but I kind of regard those guys as beyond elite they are unicorns to some degree so unless we suck hard in a crazy draft year when the next great one is up for grabs we are going to have to move quality for quality and our area of strength is we do have some really good D prospects and players if we can find the right team that is top heavy but short on D and perhaps need a goalie and some filler for a cup run I feel we should really look at a move like that. If I understand correctly you believe we need some elite talent up front . And our bargaining chip Is we have some really good D prospects . I don’t think anyone is going to trade us an elite forward for a Really good D prospect . Why give up On something you know is proven , that elite forward , for a D prospect , that is unproven . Sure we got a lot of D prospects but are any of them going to be for sure #1 D men ? And if they are we should IMO keep them Ourselves Pretty simple really if you have a crap D and nothing in the pipeline and are up against the cap well you look for options, pretty sure that is how most deals are made in the league you trade for what you need and try to use what you have most of? there has to be some options out there either a surplus or a disgruntled player at some point we are going to have to make a couple of moves like that to round out the roster if not this year it will be soon. I also don't think we will make a one for one trade for elite talent we are going to have to give up something good for sure.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Dec 5, 2023 5:59:54 GMT
Sounds like the cap is going up to 87.7 Million nice little jump.
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Post by electron58 on Dec 5, 2023 6:23:29 GMT
Sounds like the cap is going up to 87.7 Million nice little jump. Probably going to work against us.
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Post by HTL on Dec 5, 2023 13:35:36 GMT
Sounds like the cap is going up to 87.7 Million nice little jump. Gambling is big money
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Post by maasart on Dec 5, 2023 17:55:22 GMT
I used Laine as an example mostly although he could excel here and is young enough to be around for a while, I think we need to start looking for a deal like that where we pick up an impact player so that next season we have the scoring punch to start winning the tight games. One thing I agree with Ted on is we will need some elite talent up front for sure to be contenders. No one is going to trade us a Bedard or a Matthews or a player like Crosby in his prime but I kind of regard those guys as beyond elite they are unicorns to some degree so unless we suck hard in a crazy draft year when the next great one is up for grabs we are going to have to move quality for quality and our area of strength is we do have some really good D prospects and players if we can find the right team that is top heavy but short on D and perhaps need a goalie and some filler for a cup run I feel we should really look at a move like that. If I understand correctly you believe we need some elite talent up front . And our bargaining chip Is we have some really good D prospects . I don’t think anyone is going to trade us an elite forward for a Really good D prospect . Why give up On something you know is proven , that elite forward , for a D prospect , that is unproven . Sure we got a lot of D prospects but are any of them going to be for sure #1 D men ? And if they are we should IMO keep them Ourselves For sure. There's really only a few ways to get elite talent - the most common is through the draft but via trade you have to either be very lucky or find a team with a need. You arent getting an elite prospect for one of our middle of the road prospects. You *may* be able to get an elite centre prospect for Lane Hutson or Reinbacher or Guhle but im not sure we want to go down that road. The most likely opportunity would be like when we trade Pacioretty for Suzuki+. There was inherent risk (Patches was proven, Suzuki wasnt) but its the main way you make this type of thing happen. Same as when we were on the losing end of Drouin for Sergachev. I think a guy like Monahan might be able to bring a high end forward if you found a team that needed Monahan for this year's run and had enough depth to lose thant young prospect to us. I Also think if Josh Anderson gets his game back on track in time for the Trade Deadline a team may have the same interest (but we may have to sweeten the pot with a middle tier player like Harris or Struble). Simply put, we arent getting Trevor Zegras (despite Anaheim's great depth at centre) for Ylonen + Harris. It aint happening. But we *do* have a few intriguing pieces that could be used in a trade.
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Post by maasart on Dec 6, 2023 20:36:37 GMT
The rumour mill has been really quiet which is suprising since we just re-signed Monty and the team has said they havent sent Primeau down beause they are confident he'd be poached so that means we have 3 goalies & likely need to move one.
Also, we have guys like Savard & Xhekaj coming back, while callups like Struble and Lindstrom were competent. Right now we may not have a ton of top 4 guys but we have arguably 9-10 NHL quality defensmen. Some of those guys are waive exempt but we may not want to send them down.
Going to be interesting to see what happens but i suspect we'll see some movement before the Dec trade freeze.
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