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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 10, 2023 22:26:15 GMT
Nothing against pitlick but he was placed on waivers by Nashville then Minnesota and I believe Montreal placed him last year . He knew where he stood here . Like all players they want to play in the NHL and he knew his chances in Montreal were not good . Good luck in Pittsburg. Oh for sure. My point was that the media often blows this stuff out of proportion. It sounds like he just told Hughes he'd love a change of scenery and a different chance & next thing you know we're being told he demanded a trade. Agreed, a lot of this is sensationalized to draw readers. At the end of the day, I can't blame the Petry's for wanting to be close to family when they have 4 kids just like I didn't blame Vanek for wanting to keep his wife happy by moving to Minnesota or Gaudreau for wanting to be close to home. It's a legitimate reason to move. It's something many of us get to choose to some degree (where we live and how close we are to family) in our own lives and jobs and being a pro athlete is one of those rare situations where someone else can decide that for you. If you're good enough to earn the right to choose where you want to be, so be it. |
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Post by HTL on Aug 16, 2023 19:50:22 GMT
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Post by maasart on Aug 16, 2023 19:59:00 GMT
No kidding. Campbell was a tire-fire last year, just brutal. (Like 3.5gaa + .888sv or something hideous). He's still got like 4 years left on a $5m a year contract and they think we're going to trade them De Smith ($1.8m for 1 year, with better numbers) for a 2nd round pick? The only way I swap De Smith for Campbell is if Draisaitl comes with him! lol.  |
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Post by HTL on Aug 16, 2023 20:33:29 GMT
No kidding. Campbell was a tire-fire last year, just brutal. (Like 3.5gaa + .888sv or something hideous). He's still got like 4 years left on a $5m a year contract and they think we're going to trade them De Smith ($1.8m for 1 year, with better numbers) for a 2nd round pick? The only way I swap De Smith for Campbell is if Draisaitl comes with him! lol. I thought it was good for a laugh. Hockey expert no doubt.  |
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Post by HTL on Aug 16, 2023 20:38:10 GMT
I think somebody must have slapped him across the head because the article has now been modified to suggest the Oilers retain and take Armia. I still would pass all day long.
Reality must have kicked in.
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Post by maasart on Aug 16, 2023 20:54:45 GMT
I think somebody must have slapped him across the head because the article has now been modified to suggest the Oilers retain and take Armia. I still would pass all day long. Reality must have kicked in. If they really want De Smith - and - this is HUGE: Our goalie coaches felt Campbell could bounce back - id do: De Smith Armia for Campbell (50% retained) Xavier Bourgault Reid Schaefer 1st round pick. They likely dont do it but thats what it would take for me to have any interest in the deal. Campbell is a massively negative cap hit. Even if our team thinks he would bounce back, its a huge risk and one id only take on if i was being compensated with quality youth. |
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Post by HTL on Aug 16, 2023 21:25:06 GMT
I think somebody must have slapped him across the head because the article has now been modified to suggest the Oilers retain and take Armia. I still would pass all day long. Reality must have kicked in. If they really want De Smith - and - this is HUGE: Our goalie coaches felt Campbell could bounce back - id do: De Smith Armia for Campbell (50% retained) Xavier Bourgault Reid Schaefer 1st round pick. They likely dont do it but thats what it would take for me to have any interest in the deal. Campbell is a massively negative cap hit. Even if our team thinks he would bounce back, its a huge risk and one id only take on if i was being compensated with quality youth. The Oilers are in no position to make that kind of move even if they wanted to. Half of Campbell plus Armia plus DeSmith i believe would put them over. Myself it would take Gally plus DeSmith going to the Oilers for Campbell plus that 2nd. An exchange of bad contracts pretty much nullify each other, but once again, without looking it up, i believe puts them over. Neither deal looks possible IMO. |
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Post by HTL on Aug 16, 2023 21:32:46 GMT
Looked it up. Oilers have 3.5 in Cap space with Bouchard left to sign to give them a 22 man roster.
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Post by maasart on Aug 16, 2023 22:36:56 GMT
If they really want De Smith - and - this is HUGE: Our goalie coaches felt Campbell could bounce back - id do: De Smith Armia for Campbell (50% retained) Xavier Bourgault Reid Schaefer 1st round pick. They likely dont do it but thats what it would take for me to have any interest in the deal. Campbell is a massively negative cap hit. Even if our team thinks he would bounce back, its a huge risk and one id only take on if i was being compensated with quality youth. The Oilers are in no position to make that kind of move even if they wanted to. Half of Campbell plus Armia plus DeSmith i believe would put them over. Myself it would take Gally plus DeSmith going to the Oilers for Campbell plus that 2nd. An exchange of bad contracts pretty much nullify each other, but once again, without looking it up, i believe puts them over. Neither deal looks possible IMO. Yeah, i knew it wouldnt work cap wise - and there's no way they'd send us their two best prospects. All i meant is that is the only way id entertain DeSmith for Campbell. Your note about Gallagher is quite interesting though... id say his contract is actually worse than Campbell's - although both players may thrive in the opposite systems (assuming gally stays healthy). |
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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 17, 2023 1:03:55 GMT
I think somebody must have slapped him across the head because the article has now been modified to suggest the Oilers retain and take Armia. I still would pass all day long. Reality must have kicked in. If they really want De Smith - and - this is HUGE: Our goalie coaches felt Campbell could bounce back - id do: De Smith Armia for Campbell (50% retained) Xavier Bourgault Reid Schaefer 1st round pick. They likely dont do it but thats what it would take for me to have any interest in the deal. Campbell is a massively negative cap hit. Even if our team thinks he would bounce back, its a huge risk and one id only take on if i was being compensated with quality youth. If they really want De Smith - and - this is HUGE: Our goalie coaches felt Campbell could bounce back - id do: De Smith Armia for Campbell (50% retained) Xavier Bourgault Reid Schaefer 1st round pick. They likely dont do it but thats what it would take for me to have any interest in the deal. Campbell is a massively negative cap hit. Even if our team thinks he would bounce back, its a huge risk and one id only take on if i was being compensated with quality youth. The Oilers are in no position to make that kind of move even if they wanted to. Half of Campbell plus Armia plus DeSmith i believe would put them over. Myself it would take Gally plus DeSmith going to the Oilers for Campbell plus that 2nd. An exchange of bad contracts pretty much nullify each other, but once again, without looking it up, i believe puts them over. Neither deal looks possible IMO.
Campbell is signed for 4 more years at a 5M AAV and has an NTC. He's already 31. So his money cuts into our cap for years where we should be aiming to be competitive. That's a huge no-go for me. We also don't have a need for Campbell. He's probably worse than Monty and Allen, even cap hit aside. So yeah, pretty much only way I would even consider this is if Gallagher is going back the other way.
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Post by HTL on Sept 11, 2023 17:21:12 GMT
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Post by maasart on Sept 11, 2023 19:15:09 GMT
Ive been looking at the ducks for a while & I wouldnt be surprised at all if we find out Hughes has inquired. Zegras-McTavish-Carlsson is one heck of a top 3 centre group and none of them should ideally be playing bottom 6. They also have depth players like Groulx and Gaucher... they are REALLY set down the middle but do have some holes at wing or D. Zegras is the most proven, obviously but also the oldest of the 3 so i suspect they may be willing to part with him as he is an RFA and due for a BIG raise... But what would it cost us? I dont see the ducks shipping us Zegras for a bunch of mid-tier prospects like Beck, Roy, Struble or Mysak. Im guessing if we call up they are going to ask for one of: Guhle, Hutson or Reinbacher +++. I would absolutely say no to Reinbacher (as we need a top RHD) & Im pretty positive id say no to Hutson. I REALLY like Guhle but we do have a lot of LHD and if this was the main piece in getting us Zegras... i think you'd have to consider it. I guess the other option could be Slaf but i highly doubt the team gives up on the 1st overall pick this early... This is the type of move I could see Hughes thinking seriously about though. This would be a very solid top 6/top4 even if it meant losing Guhle: Slafkovsky - Zegras - Caufield Newhook - Suzuki - Dach Hutson-Reinbacher Harris - Barron |
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Post by habsology on Sept 13, 2023 17:44:36 GMT
Ive been looking at the ducks for a while & I wouldnt be surprised at all if we find out Hughes has inquired. Zegras-McTavish-Carlsson is one heck of a top 3 centre group and none of them should ideally be playing bottom 6. They also have depth players like Groulx and Gaucher... they are REALLY set down the middle but do have some holes at wing or D. Zegras is the most proven, obviously but also the oldest of the 3 so i suspect they may be willing to part with him as he is an RFA and due for a BIG raise... But what would it cost us? I dont see the ducks shipping us Zegras for a bunch of mid-tier prospects like Beck, Roy, Struble or Mysak. Im guessing if we call up they are going to ask for one of: Guhle, Hutson or Reinbacher +++. I would absolutely say no to Reinbacher (as we need a top RHD) & Im pretty positive id say no to Hutson. I REALLY like Guhle but we do have a lot of LHD and if this was the main piece in getting us Zegras... i think you'd have to consider it. I guess the other option could be Slaf but i highly doubt the team gives up on the 1st overall pick this early... This is the type of move I could see Hughes thinking seriously about though. This would be a very solid top 6/top4 even if it meant losing Guhle: Slafkovsky - Zegras - Caufield Newhook - Suzuki - Dach Hutson-Reinbacher Harris - Barron Yeah I'd do Ghule for Zegras in a heartbeat! |
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Post by maasart on Sept 13, 2023 18:43:57 GMT
Ive been looking at the ducks for a while & I wouldnt be surprised at all if we find out Hughes has inquired. Zegras-McTavish-Carlsson is one heck of a top 3 centre group and none of them should ideally be playing bottom 6. They also have depth players like Groulx and Gaucher... they are REALLY set down the middle but do have some holes at wing or D. Zegras is the most proven, obviously but also the oldest of the 3 so i suspect they may be willing to part with him as he is an RFA and due for a BIG raise... But what would it cost us? I dont see the ducks shipping us Zegras for a bunch of mid-tier prospects like Beck, Roy, Struble or Mysak. Im guessing if we call up they are going to ask for one of: Guhle, Hutson or Reinbacher +++. I would absolutely say no to Reinbacher (as we need a top RHD) & Im pretty positive id say no to Hutson. I REALLY like Guhle but we do have a lot of LHD and if this was the main piece in getting us Zegras... i think you'd have to consider it. I guess the other option could be Slaf but i highly doubt the team gives up on the 1st overall pick this early... This is the type of move I could see Hughes thinking seriously about though. This would be a very solid top 6/top4 even if it meant losing Guhle: Slafkovsky - Zegras - Caufield Newhook - Suzuki - Dach Hutson-Reinbacher Harris - Barron Yeah I'd do Ghule for Zegras in a heartbeat! I assume we'd have to give more but I think Guhle would be the main prize going that way. Its not an easy call because i think Guhle may end up being amazing & right now we have a top 3 (Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle) that has the potential to be the best group in 3+ decades. But boy, adding a centre who likely ends up even better than Suzuki and allows Dach to play 1st line RW would be one heck of a coup... |
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Post by BigTed3 on Sept 13, 2023 19:19:09 GMT
Yeah I'd do Ghule for Zegras in a heartbeat! I assume we'd have to give more but I think Guhle would be the main prize going that way. Its not an easy call because i think Guhle may end up being amazing & right now we have a top 3 (Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle) that has the potential to be the best group in 3+ decades. But boy, adding a centre who likely ends up even better than Suzuki and allows Dach to play 1st line RW would be one heck of a coup... I think this is a tough assessment. I like Zegras. In his draft year, he was a player I said I would have drafted higher and I thought he could have been the steal of the draft for Anaheim at 9. But knowing what we know now, is he going to be better than Suzuki? I'm not sure. I think they're going to end up in a very similar echelon. Zegras for me has a bit more puck skill and finesse to his offensive game. But Suzuki probably has a bit more well-roundedness to his game and while Zegras is a year and half younger, their stats the past two years have been largely the same, each playing a similar role on a bad roster. I expect each player can probably bump up their production and become close to a PPG player, but I don't have the feeling that one guy will markedly outplay the other in the future.
Where I think you're right is that Zegras would be an upgrade in the top 6 and could allow us to push Dach to wing, where we was extremely effective playing a position where we don't have locks in our top 6 going forward. So that helps. But I don't think Zegras necessarily improves the top end above what Suzuki is providing, and I largely think each player is a 1C but a lower-end 1C in the NHL. I started that other thread about who the top 10 centers are in the league, and I don't think either guy is really that close to making the list. I didn't go through the rest of the league, but if I had to gauge where they are, my guess is that I'd probably have Zegras and Suzuki both somewhere in the 20-32 range for top centers in the league.
In Guhle's case, I've already outlined why I think he could be good trade bait, given our ability to extract value there and still have the likes of Hutson, Engstrom, Harris, Xhekaj, etc. down the left side. But Guhle does bring an element to that side of the D that others don't, and he would be a nice complement to Hutson/Reinbacher/Mailloux, so I wouldn't give him up easily. I would give him up for a value return. Guhle for Zegras is probably verging on a fair trade and yes, we might need to include something else to get that done. But ultimately, I'm still asking myself whether that deal is improving our top end and I come back to the answer of it improving the depth in our top 6 but not necessarily giving us an elite center. I don't think it's as clearcut a decision as we might think.
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Post by habsalways on Sept 14, 2023 19:54:35 GMT
I assume we'd have to give more but I think Guhle would be the main prize going that way. Its not an easy call because i think Guhle may end up being amazing & right now we have a top 3 (Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle) that has the potential to be the best group in 3+ decades. But boy, adding a centre who likely ends up even better than Suzuki and allows Dach to play 1st line RW would be one heck of a coup... I think this is a tough assessment. I like Zegras. In his draft year, he was a player I said I would have drafted higher and I thought he could have been the steal of the draft for Anaheim at 9. But knowing what we know now, is he going to be better than Suzuki? I'm not sure. I think they're going to end up in a very similar echelon. Zegras for me has a bit more puck skill and finesse to his offensive game. But Suzuki probably has a bit more well-roundedness to his game and while Zegras is a year and half younger, their stats the past two years have been largely the same, each playing a similar role on a bad roster. I expect each player can probably bump up their production and become close to a PPG player, but I don't have the feeling that one guy will markedly outplay the other in the future.
Where I think you're right is that Zegras would be an upgrade in the top 6 and could allow us to push Dach to wing, where we was extremely effective playing a position where we don't have locks in our top 6 going forward. So that helps. But I don't think Zegras necessarily improves the top end above what Suzuki is providing, and I largely think each player is a 1C but a lower-end 1C in the NHL. I started that other thread about who the top 10 centers are in the league, and I don't think either guy is really that close to making the list. I didn't go through the rest of the league, but if I had to gauge where they are, my guess is that I'd probably have Zegras and Suzuki both somewhere in the 20-32 range for top centers in the league.
In Guhle's case, I've already outlined why I think he could be good trade bait, given our ability to extract value there and still have the likes of Hutson, Engstrom, Harris, Xhekaj, etc. down the left side. But Guhle does bring an element to that side of the D that others don't, and he would be a nice complement to Hutson/Reinbacher/Mailloux, so I wouldn't give him up easily. I would give him up for a value return. Guhle for Zegras is probably verging on a fair trade and yes, we might need to include something else to get that done. But ultimately, I'm still asking myself whether that deal is improving our top end and I come back to the answer of it improving the depth in our top 6 but not necessarily giving us an elite center. I don't think it's as clearcut a decision as we might think.
I actually think Zegras is a downgrade on Nick. Nick has as much or more offensive prowess as Zegras, and far more defensive acumen. And what Nick has displayed that Zegras hasn't (or had the chance to) is leadership. Nick almost single handedly drove Guelph in their playoff run and Memorial cup bid and led the OHL in playoff points that year by a long shot. Nick has that other gear you need in playoff hockey, and I think this season we're also going to see him kick it up a notch in the regular season as well. I feel had we not been plagued with injuries and a rotating crew of wingers for Nick, he would have been in the top 30 or top 20 in league scoring (points). |
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Post by seth505 on Sept 14, 2023 20:09:36 GMT
I still get bummed on the Sergachev move...I have too much anxiety thinking giving up Guhle would turn into another scenario similar to that.
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Post by archey on Sept 14, 2023 21:06:04 GMT
I still get bummed on the Sergachev move...I have too much anxiety thinking giving up Guhle would turn into another scenario similar to that. I really like him a lot. Scoring too. |
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Post by maasart on Sept 14, 2023 21:49:46 GMT
I still get bummed on the Sergachev move...I have too much anxiety thinking giving up Guhle would turn into another scenario similar to that. Agree. It would have to be a VERY special player for me to consider moving Guhle. I Am very confident Hutson and Reinbacher will work out but there's always a chance they wont. Guhle has already proven he's pretty much a lock as a top 4. Thats tough to give up even with some very blue chip prospects in the wing. |
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Post by BigTed3 on Oct 23, 2023 18:46:28 GMT
Couple of NHL notes floating around:
1. Canucks looking to trade Conor Garland. Friedman reporting that Winnipeg, Nashville, and Columbus are all potentially interested. Adds Canucks would be willing to take back a player with salary to make this happen but ideally want a defenceman. Now the Habs are not in the market for Conor Garland. Maybe they could get involved as a 3rd party salary broker. My question here is more around which teams are looking to add a middle 6 winger and whether those same teams might form a market for Josh Anderson. Winnipeg was among the teams interested in him last year, and Columbus was rumored to be interested in reacquiring him too.
2. On the subject of Columbus, they continue to have too many D men, and the names of Boqvist and Peeke continue to be out there in rumors, with Boqvist in particular being a playe of potential interest for the Habs. He fits the age range of players Hughes has been targeting, and he's a RHD who could help on the PP. Is there a deal to be made here around Boqvist being part of a package for Anderson?
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