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Post by maasart on Oct 23, 2023 19:42:45 GMT
Couple of NHL notes floating around: 1. Canucks looking to trade Conor Garland. Friedman reporting that Winnipeg, Nashville, and Columbus are all potentially interested. Adds Canucks would be willing to take back a player with salary to make this happen but ideally want a defenceman. Now the Habs are not in the market for Conor Garland. Maybe they could get involved as a 3rd party salary broker. My question here is more around which teams are looking to add a middle 6 winger and whether those same teams might form a market for Josh Anderson. Winnipeg was among the teams interested in him last year, and Columbus was rumored to be interested in reacquiring him too. 2. On the subject of Columbus, they continue to have too many D men, and the names of Boqvist and Peeke continue to be out there in rumors, with Boqvist in particular being a playe of potential interest for the Habs. He fits the age range of players Hughes has been targeting, and he's a RHD who could help on the PP. Is there a deal to be made here around Boqvist being part of a package for Anderson? I saw the Garland rumours (although the site I saw thought montreal was interested, which didnt make sense to me). I think some things will start happening soon. Im quite curious to see what Hughes decides to do with guys like Anderson & Monahan. While we're in a rebuild, its clear Hughes wants an "accelerated rebuild." He'd take top 5 or top 10 picks, sure but i think he's more interested in young, quality players (Dach, Newhook) than later 1st round or later round picks. If you take a guy 30th overall this year, for example, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach etc, will all be 26, 27 etc by the time that guy hits the nhl - and I think hughes would like to add players who are going to be hitting their stride in the next year or two. So i think Monahan (if he resigns for 2-3 years) and Anderson are guys Hughes may actually want to keep. Time will tell though. I assume Pearson and Savard will be as good as gone. Gallagher obviously (if anyone wanted him) but im not sure about Matheson. The return would be huge right now but I could see hughes keeping him till Hutson has established himself.
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Post by BigTed3 on Oct 23, 2023 20:18:54 GMT
Couple of NHL notes floating around: 1. Canucks looking to trade Conor Garland. Friedman reporting that Winnipeg, Nashville, and Columbus are all potentially interested. Adds Canucks would be willing to take back a player with salary to make this happen but ideally want a defenceman. Now the Habs are not in the market for Conor Garland. Maybe they could get involved as a 3rd party salary broker. My question here is more around which teams are looking to add a middle 6 winger and whether those same teams might form a market for Josh Anderson. Winnipeg was among the teams interested in him last year, and Columbus was rumored to be interested in reacquiring him too. 2. On the subject of Columbus, they continue to have too many D men, and the names of Boqvist and Peeke continue to be out there in rumors, with Boqvist in particular being a playe of potential interest for the Habs. He fits the age range of players Hughes has been targeting, and he's a RHD who could help on the PP. Is there a deal to be made here around Boqvist being part of a package for Anderson? I saw the Garland rumours (although the site I saw thought montreal was interested, which didnt make sense to me). I think some things will start happening soon. Im quite curious to see what Hughes decides to do with guys like Anderson & Monahan. While we're in a rebuild, its clear Hughes wants an "accelerated rebuild." He'd take top 5 or top 10 picks, sure but i think he's more interested in young, quality players (Dach, Newhook) than later 1st round or later round picks. If you take a guy 30th overall this year, for example, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach etc, will all be 26, 27 etc by the time that guy hits the nhl - and I think hughes would like to add players who are going to be hitting their stride in the next year or two. So i think Monahan (if he resigns for 2-3 years) and Anderson are guys Hughes may actually want to keep. Time will tell though. I assume Pearson and Savard will be as good as gone. Gallagher obviously (if anyone wanted him) but im not sure about Matheson. The return would be huge right now but I could see hughes keeping him till Hutson has established himself. Don't think it's just about Matheson. Hughes obviously loves him. But the question is not whether we like Matheson or not. It's about Matheson vs. the sum of what we can get for him in a trade AND the opportunity for whoever takes his roster spot over the next 2-3 years. The fact is that while Matheson is currently our best defenceman, he likely won't be in 2-3 years. We already have Harris, Xhekaj, and Guhle down the left, along with Norlinder knocking on the door, Struble playing nicely in Laval, and Hutson and Engstrom on their way. So we'd be able to find players to fill the roster out now as well as in the future. I think you accept losing Matheson for the next season or two that don't matter much IF it brings you a player who is knocking on the door to be ready as well as opening up the chance to develop another youngster more efficiently too.
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Post by maasart on Oct 23, 2023 21:45:03 GMT
I saw the Garland rumours (although the site I saw thought montreal was interested, which didnt make sense to me). I think some things will start happening soon. Im quite curious to see what Hughes decides to do with guys like Anderson & Monahan. While we're in a rebuild, its clear Hughes wants an "accelerated rebuild." He'd take top 5 or top 10 picks, sure but i think he's more interested in young, quality players (Dach, Newhook) than later 1st round or later round picks. If you take a guy 30th overall this year, for example, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach etc, will all be 26, 27 etc by the time that guy hits the nhl - and I think hughes would like to add players who are going to be hitting their stride in the next year or two. So i think Monahan (if he resigns for 2-3 years) and Anderson are guys Hughes may actually want to keep. Time will tell though. I assume Pearson and Savard will be as good as gone. Gallagher obviously (if anyone wanted him) but im not sure about Matheson. The return would be huge right now but I could see hughes keeping him till Hutson has established himself. Don't think it's just about Matheson. Hughes obviously loves him. But the question is not whether we like Matheson or not. It's about Matheson vs. the sum of what we can get for him in a trade AND the opportunity for whoever takes his roster spot over the next 2-3 years. The fact is that while Matheson is currently our best defenceman, he likely won't be in 2-3 years. We already have Harris, Xhekaj, and Guhle down the left, along with Norlinder knocking on the door, Struble playing nicely in Laval, and Hutson and Engstrom on their way. So we'd be able to find players to fill the roster out now as well as in the future. I think you accept losing Matheson for the next season or two that don't matter much IF it brings you a player who is knocking on the door to be ready as well as opening up the chance to develop another youngster more efficiently too.
Yeah, i dont disagree. I guess my point is/was that I think there will be far less "player x for draft picks" (unless, there's a good chance they are top 10) and a lot more "player x for player y" where player y may be less established but have greater potential. We have waaaaaay too many prospects and draft capital right now. Hughes, I am sure, sees our weaknesses and will try to fill those holes going forward. I think he's still looking for the right deal to bring in another top quality centre.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 23, 2023 22:17:58 GMT
I feel the same way you do I think things are going to start moving forward this season when it comes to getting some players for the roster instead of giving up players for picks. I mean sure if we get offered a top 3 pick or perhaps top 5 you have to look at it but much past that and we will have to wait too long to get them here. The masses have been patient so far but we all know that won't last.....
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Post by claremont on Oct 23, 2023 22:56:49 GMT
I saw the Garland rumours (although the site I saw thought montreal was interested, which didnt make sense to me). I think some things will start happening soon. Im quite curious to see what Hughes decides to do with guys like Anderson & Monahan. While we're in a rebuild, its clear Hughes wants an "accelerated rebuild." He'd take top 5 or top 10 picks, sure but i think he's more interested in young, quality players (Dach, Newhook) than later 1st round or later round picks. If you take a guy 30th overall this year, for example, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach etc, will all be 26, 27 etc by the time that guy hits the nhl - and I think hughes would like to add players who are going to be hitting their stride in the next year or two. So i think Monahan (if he resigns for 2-3 years) and Anderson are guys Hughes may actually want to keep. Time will tell though. I assume Pearson and Savard will be as good as gone. Gallagher obviously (if anyone wanted him) but im not sure about Matheson. The return would be huge right now but I could see hughes keeping him till Hutson has established himself. Don't think it's just about Matheson. Hughes obviously loves him. But the question is not whether we like Matheson or not. It's about Matheson vs. the sum of what we can get for him in a trade AND the opportunity for whoever takes his roster spot over the next 2-3 years. The fact is that while Matheson is currently our best defenceman, he likely won't be in 2-3 years. We already have Harris, Xhekaj, and Guhle down the left, along with Norlinder knocking on the door, Struble playing nicely in Laval, and Hutson and Engstrom on their way. So we'd be able to find players to fill the roster out now as well as in the future. I think you accept losing Matheson for the next season or two that don't matter much IF it brings you a player who is knocking on the door to be ready as well as opening up the chance to develop another youngster more efficiently too.
Agree with you on the opportunity but I will echo some previous thoughts on moving some top players 1) Matheson has an 8 team NTC, so does Josh Anderson, and so does Dvorak - with the cap forecasted to increase, these players have term and pretty good value at Matheson - 2 years beyond this at $4.875M, Josh - 3 years at $5.5M, and Dvorak 1 more year at $4.45M 2) HuGo have been player friendly on the culture / fit. Specifically if these players don't factor into the faster rebuild and winning potential, I suspect they will be moved to give them a chance to win in another organization 3) Replacement timing - I feel it is unlikely this year for Matheson - we just don't have a proven replacement to step up into that #1 D role just yet. I believe Matheson could be moved at next year's trading deadline or off season 24-25. Josh is a possibility this year if the offer is right. With our winger surplus, we could probably replace his contributions - if Joshua Roy continues a progression or Slaf gets out of his funk and/or Heineman. If not, losing JA can be a short term step back. 4) I still say the more likely interim candidates are David Savard - 1 year value at $3.5M and Dvorak The more intriguing aspect is how we will use our LTIR reserve pool. We have only 1 retention slot but are among a few teams - Hawks (2 slots), Nashville (1 slot), Philly (2 slots), Anaheim (3 slots), and San Jose (1 slot), with significant cap room. Does HuGo play the waiting game for something better in terms of a prospect or draft pick accompanying a deal, or does he risk carrying a dead weight player on the roster to avoid using the retention spot.
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Post by HTL on Nov 9, 2023 19:48:43 GMT
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Post by claremont on Nov 9, 2023 22:19:50 GMT
Briere of Philly is not scared to make decisions and rip the band-aid right off. Now Hart is a $4m goalie and comes with RFA protection. Philly could probably absorb Campbell contract in their long term cap plan, and rebuild, even if Oilers retain some of Campbell's contract. In my thinking, Hart is a little more attractive to the Oilers than our Jake Allen. The others Binnington (full NTC but may waive it as he is Canadian), and Sarros have higher cap hits - Blues not quite in rebuild mode, and Trotz for Nashville I suspect is trying to reset and not maybe rebuild.
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Post by HTL on Nov 18, 2023 16:56:59 GMT
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Post by claremont on Nov 18, 2023 17:07:14 GMT
Understood Oilers are an interested party but to think Habs would take Campbell for this year plus 3 more years at $5M - that's a hard pass showstopper in any deal, unless there is some other blockbuster component. That's a pretty big cap hit. Now Primeau plus maybe a 4th rounder, straight up for a Beau Akey or Xavier Bourgault then that seems a bit more fair.
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Post by HTL on Nov 18, 2023 18:50:06 GMT
Understood Oilers are an interested party but to think Habs would take Campbell for this year plus 3 more years at $5M - that's a hard pass showstopper in any deal, unless there is some other blockbuster component. That's a pretty big cap hit. Now Primeau plus maybe a 4th rounder, straight up for a Beau Akey or Xavier Bourgault then that seems a bit more fair. It won't be Akey because he's out for the year.
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Post by regis on Nov 24, 2023 19:53:40 GMT
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Post by jenniferrocket on Nov 27, 2023 13:13:50 GMT
Understood Oilers are an interested party but to think Habs would take Campbell for this year plus 3 more years at $5M - that's a hard pass showstopper in any deal, unless there is some other blockbuster component. That's a pretty big cap hit. Now Primeau plus maybe a 4th rounder, straight up for a Beau Akey or Xavier Bourgault then that seems a bit more fair. Yeah. We cannot accept Campbell back in any trade with Edmonton. I would rather carry Allen, Primeau, and Montembeault on our team than make a trade with Edmonton that brings back Campbell. I'm also in no rush to make a trade with the Oilers. Let Edmonton suffer. Their poor record is not our problem.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Nov 27, 2023 15:59:52 GMT
We obviously have players to move but I have to agree the last thing we need is to saddle ourselves with any long term contracts unless we get a star player in return one that really moves the needle for us.
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Post by maasart on Nov 27, 2023 16:24:56 GMT
We obviously have players to move but I have to agree the last thing we need is to saddle ourselves with any long term contracts unless we get a star player in return one that really moves the needle for us. Yeah the only way i take back a player like campbell is: 1) Our goaltending team believes he has been mishandled and can be at least as good as Allen has been. 2) They take back Gallagher (and maybe Armia too) 3) We get a top prospect like Bourgault or Bouchard (not likely) and a 1st. Even then im not sure. Gallagher's contract is bad but at least he's a decent player when he's on the ice and not actively hurting you. #1 would have to be something the goaltending team was really passionate about. With Monty, for example, Raymond was adamant Monty was a good goalie who was being misused in Florida and they jumped at the chance to claim him off of waivers, even when they didnt know what was going on with Price.
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Post by regis on Nov 27, 2023 18:02:17 GMT
If anyone values the + - stat , Gallagher is the worst 9n the team at -12
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Post by archey on Nov 27, 2023 18:34:23 GMT
If anyone values the + - stat , Gallagher is the worst 9n the team at -12 When I took Irish history at university it was obviously MY Irish history. LOL Thanks sir. Made my day.
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Post by maasart on Nov 27, 2023 18:58:02 GMT
If anyone values the + - stat , Gallagher is the worst 9n the team at -12 I do value it a bit more than some people but at the same time id rather have Gallagher than most guys on comparably bad contracts. Id love to move him for someone on a 2 year deal or less but at least he's still got value as a player. On another site I saw someone suggesting Gallagher for Huberdeau straight up & that frightened me a little.
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Post by claremont on Nov 27, 2023 23:43:06 GMT
If anyone values the + - stat , Gallagher is the worst 9n the team at -12 Agree the optics are not good for a supposed team leader. Virtually very team in the league has 1 or 2 bad contracts. No use really complaining about it or expecting HuGo to move it as it won't be easy to move despite Gally's 6 team NTC. Based on Loyalty, drive and desire, Gally does deserve to be traded to a potential winner vs our plan. I expect we would have to give up a prospect, a pick or retain some salary to gain his cap room and roster spot.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 29, 2023 7:08:06 GMT
"Hearing Vancouver is trading Anthony Beauvillier to Chicago" as per Elliotte Friedman.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 29, 2023 7:18:24 GMT
"Hearing Vancouver is trading Anthony Beauvillier to Chicago" as per Elliotte Friedman. Well as per regis on " Around The League - Everyone But The Habs " = done deal. Definite cap dump. Vancouver GM doing good work there.
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