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Post by maasart on Feb 13, 2024 17:15:05 GMT
I think its tough to say how our dmen would rank in terms of value because, obviously a competitive team will give up different stuff than a rebuilding one. A guy like Guhle may have more interest for a team thats just coming into its own but a team like TB or Toronto - or even Edmonton - may need to break some stuff up in a year or two so a guy like Matheson fits them perfectly. A team like Anaheim for sure gives up more for Guhle than Matheson though imho. If i had to rank our LHD from a trade perspective i think it would likely be: Matheson Guhle Hutson Struble Xhekaj Harris I think some GMs may value a guy like Xhekaj over Struble for example and some GMs would take a proven Dman over Hutson but i think thats pretty much where most rival groups would rank them. We've talked about this before and agree: you're not getting a top prospect for Harris or Xhekaj or even Struble... but you might get one for Guhle. You should get one for Matheson. I still have this nagging feeling like Hughes may try trading Hutson. I think they like him but the fact they took Mesar and Beck before him (if you remember, you and I at the draft were both calling for them to take him with our last 1st and early 2nd) makes me think they really like his skill but worry about his size. Maybe with Hughes doing so well that has changed (and the rest of our young D corps are pretty much monsters) but i worry we may move him before he's had a chance on our roster. I hope im wrong. Don't worry. You're wrong 😁 I hope so! I really like Lane.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 13, 2024 18:37:54 GMT
Don't worry. You're wrong 😁 I hope so! I really like Lane. Yeah we have to at least get him here and play him in to see if he can transition into the NHL if he can he will be a special player. In a lot of ways he is like CC small but really big talent if he can figure out how to play at this level with the big guns he could be a star! if not he is well worth taking the risk on.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 14, 2024 0:00:05 GMT
I hope so! I really like Lane. Yeah we have to at least get him here and play him in to see if he can transition into the NHL if he can he will be a special player. In a lot of ways he is like CC small but really big talent if he can figure out how to play at this level with the big guns he could be a star! if not he is well worth taking the risk on. He really doesn't look that small to me to be honest. He's not big by any means, but I've seen him play a few games for BU this year and he is fairly steady on his feet. Good center of gravity, gets low. So even though he doesn't weigh much, he uses what he has well and he's not afraid to skate into traffic. I think he'll be fine to be honest.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 14, 2024 1:30:48 GMT
Tampa and Vegas both having multiple scouts in the building for tonight's game. Now they could easily be there for Anaheim too, but those are both teams rumored to be looking for help on D and perhaps LHD more than RHD. I'll throw out Matheson's name again a a possible fit for Tampa, and we know Xhekaj has been in the rumors before.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 14, 2024 3:51:47 GMT
Tampa and Vegas both having multiple scouts in the building for tonight's game. Now they could easily be there for Anaheim too, but those are both teams rumored to be looking for help on D and perhaps LHD more than RHD. I'll throw out Matheson's name again a a possible fit for Tampa, and we know Xhekaj has been in the rumors before. To add to this thought, Jamie Pushor for Tampa is one of their assistant GMs and has actually been at a few Habs games in recent weeks. I decided to take a look back at which teams have repeatedly had multiple scouts at our games or consistently been at our games in the past little while and Tampa, Dallas, and New Jersey really jump out to the forefront as the three teams that seem to be scouting us the most heavily. Winnipeg, Toronto, and Boston seemed to have more interest in the past but have dropped their attendance at our games since the Monahan trade. So presumably Winnipeg got their man and Boston was possibly in on him too.
But if we go back to the three teams we're seeing more of now, the rumors coming out of those cities are that Dallas wants veteran help on defence and has shown interest in David Savard, Tampa now has money to spend to replace Sergachev and wants help on the left side of the defence more than anything, and New Jersey is looking for help on D too and wants a player with some term left rather than a rental. They also want help in net and reportedly had a deal in place with Calgary for Markstrom that fell through at the last minute despite Markstrom waiving his NTC to go there. Have got to figure Savard, Matheson, and maybe even Kovacevic and Xhekaj could be players being looked at by those teams. In the category of where there's smoke there's fire, those are three teams I'd keep an eye on as potential trade partners for us, particularly in trades for some of our D men.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 14, 2024 14:24:06 GMT
Canucks General Manager Patrik Allvin on Phil Kessel: “Phil has made his way to Vancouver and will be working out in Abbotsford this week. “ Maybe a possible signing?
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Post by HTL on Feb 14, 2024 20:30:54 GMT
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Post by maasart on Feb 15, 2024 0:09:02 GMT
The islanders may be the type of team that could use Matheson but thats a bad trade proposal. Their suggestion is a protected 1st, a 2nd, a conditional 3rd and William Dufour who is a mid-tier prospect. Thats frankly as bad or worse than what we got for Chiarot. Matheson is a top 15 scorer for dmen in the nhl. He's still in his prime, his contract is cheap by top pairing standards. Id be looking for a lot more than that offer. We dont *need* to trade him at all. If they want Matheson I want a 1st (unprotected), Simon Holmstrom and at least one more pick or asset. Thats the cost of a top 15-20 dman in the NHL.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 15, 2024 3:38:45 GMT
The islanders may be the type of team that could use Matheson but thats a bad trade proposal. Their suggestion is a protected 1st, a 2nd, a conditional 3rd and William Dufour who is a mid-tier prospect. Thats frankly as bad or worse than what we got for Chiarot. Matheson is a top 15 scorer for dmen in the nhl. He's still in his prime, his contract is cheap by top pairing standards. Id be looking for a lot more than that offer. We dont *need* to trade him at all. If they want Matheson I want a 1st (unprotected), Simon Holmstrom and at least one more pick or asset. Thats the cost of a top 15-20 dman in the NHL. Yeah, I'm not making this move for a protected 1st rounder as the key piece coming back. The article talked about Lindholm being a comparable for Hanifin, but Matheson is in that same class of player right now and he's blossomed into a true top pairing defender here. He's maybe not a true #1 and fits more in line with what we have gotten in the past from a Petry or Hamrlik, but then again, I don't consider Lindholm or Hanifin as being true #1's either.
I don't see the Islanders as being a great fit for us here. They're not that close to winning. They have a bad prospect pool (Scott Wheeler actually ranked them last in the league). And they have no cap space whatsoever, so I'm not even sure who we would take back to make a trade work. And so ultimately, I'd be asking for an unprotected 1st rounder, without which this trade is a non-starter for me. I might even ask for their 1st rounder next year too (this one could be lottery protected) simply because they have no top prospects who are equivalent to a 1st. But at the end of the day, I think there are other teams who will pay more and be better fits to get Matheson. I've thrown out Tampa as one. I think Vancouver could be another. Vegas. LA. NJ. Toronto. I wouldn't be keying in on the Isles if I were Hughes.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Feb 15, 2024 17:25:58 GMT
Do we think Tanner Pearson has any trade deadline value? He appears to be the only other UFA we have to offload before the deadline. A 3rd round pick for Pearson feels like a stretch though. I can't imagine anyone coming in hot for Josh Anderson, Jake Allen, or David Savard. Maybe Savard has some value to a contender.
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Post by HTL on Feb 15, 2024 17:37:30 GMT
Do we think Tanner Pearson has any trade deadline value? He appears to be the only other UFA we have to offload before the deadline. A 3rd round pick for Pearson feels like a stretch though. I can't imagine anyone coming in hot for Josh Anderson, Jake Allen, or David Savard. Maybe Savard has some value to a contender. I'd be shocked to get a 3rd for Pearson. A 7th is probably a stretch.
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Post by HTL on Feb 15, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
Rumour that Jake has been traded to the Avs. Looking for confirmation.
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Post by HTL on Feb 15, 2024 17:42:34 GMT
Rumour that Jake has been traded to the Avs. Looking for confirmation. Apparently no deal.
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Post by maasart on Feb 15, 2024 18:35:10 GMT
Rumour that Jake has been traded to the Avs. Looking for confirmation. Dreger's post was interesting though: "There is no Jake Allen deal to Colorado. The two clubs haven’t spoken in days but there has been previous discussions. Nothing close at this stage."
Which implies that not only have we talked about a deal with colorado but dreger wasnt denying it was about allen either. Interesting. dont think we'll get much for Allen (unless its part of a bigger deal) but would be nice to have a normal 2 goalie rotation again. we'd have to take back cap of course and they are fighting some injuries so there's some possibilites for a larger deal than just Allen. We shall see if it does materialize into something.
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Post by claremont on Feb 15, 2024 20:09:43 GMT
Rumour that Jake has been traded to the Avs. Looking for confirmation. Dreger's post was interesting though: "There is no Jake Allen deal to Colorado. The two clubs haven’t spoken in days but there has been previous discussions. Nothing close at this stage."
Which implies that not only have we talked about a deal with colorado but dreger wasnt denying it was about allen either. Interesting. dont think we'll get much for Allen (unless its part of a bigger deal) but would be nice to have a normal 2 goalie rotation again. we'd have to take back cap of course and they are fighting some injuries so there's some possibilites for a larger deal than just Allen. We shall see if it does materialize into something. IMO, it is more likely Colorado picks up David Savard to fill a RHD need and we would need salary retention. Would love to get their 1st round pick.
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Post by maasart on Feb 15, 2024 20:12:16 GMT
Dreger's post was interesting though: "There is no Jake Allen deal to Colorado. The two clubs haven’t spoken in days but there has been previous discussions. Nothing close at this stage."
Which implies that not only have we talked about a deal with colorado but dreger wasnt denying it was about allen either. Interesting. dont think we'll get much for Allen (unless its part of a bigger deal) but would be nice to have a normal 2 goalie rotation again. we'd have to take back cap of course and they are fighting some injuries so there's some possibilites for a larger deal than just Allen. We shall see if it does materialize into something. IMO, it is more likely Colorado picks up David Savard to fill a RHD need and we would need salary retention. Would love to get their 1st round pick. I could see them having interest in several players (Savard, Allen, Evans, Armia) although the extra years on Armia or Allen could be a stumbling block. I dont think any of them (other than Savard) has much value but combined, it may prompt a team to give up more since its likely at least a few of them might work. I could see them being interested in Allen + Savard or Armia + Allen etc.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 16, 2024 2:05:18 GMT
Canucks General Manager Patrik Allvin on Phil Kessel: “Phil has made his way to Vancouver and will be working out in Abbotsford this week. “ Maybe a possible signing? From Jeff Paterson@patersonjeff Just watched a chunk of raw video of Kessel from this morning in Abby. Very much looked like a veteran who’s been away from the game for a while. Not the finished product. But some serious struggles between drills.
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Post by HTL on Feb 16, 2024 2:06:48 GMT
Canucks General Manager Patrik Allvin on Phil Kessel: “Phil has made his way to Vancouver and will be working out in Abbotsford this week. “ Maybe a possible signing? From Jeff Paterson@patersonjeff Just watched a chunk of raw video of Kessel from this morning in Abby. Very much looked like a veteran who’s been away from the game for a while. Not the finished product. But some serious struggles between drills. Should have laid off the retro donuts.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 16, 2024 2:12:07 GMT
From Jeff Paterson@patersonjeff Just watched a chunk of raw video of Kessel from this morning in Abby. Very much looked like a veteran who’s been away from the game for a while. Not the finished product. But some serious struggles between drills. Should have laid off the retro donuts.[/quo 🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩🍪🍩
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 16, 2024 2:30:08 GMT
Do we think Tanner Pearson has any trade deadline value? He appears to be the only other UFA we have to offload before the deadline. A 3rd round pick for Pearson feels like a stretch though. I can't imagine anyone coming in hot for Josh Anderson, Jake Allen, or David Savard. Maybe Savard has some value to a contender. Pearson has minimal value at this point. I think we're looking at something like a 5th or 6th rounder or a deal like the Dadonov for Gurianov trade last year, where we take a flyer on a guy who is struggling.
As for some other guys and what value I'd estimate for them:
- Allen: 3rd or 4th rounder - Evans: 3rd to 5th rounder - Savard: 1st rounder OR a 2nd rounder plus a prospect - Matheson: 1st rounder, 3rd rounder, and a good prospect - Xhekaj: 1st rounder and 4th rounder - Harris: late 2nd or 3rd rounder - Guhle: part of a trade for a young center; worth a 1st and 2nd rounder equivalent if we were to trade him for picks alone (which I don't think we'll do) - Kovacevic: 3rd rounder - Armia: 3rd rounder if we retain 50% - Gallagher: no value unless we take an equally-bad contract back
- Anderson: no value at trade deadline, maybe some value as an off-season deal given his contract
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