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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 16, 2024 23:50:34 GMT
Pierre Lebrun is reporting that several teams have notified Kent Hughes that they would discuss trading for Jake Allen in June if he isn't dealt before then. Lebrun and others seem to think we haven't traded Allen yet because Hughes believes he can get more on his return if he waits til season's end. So it sounds like teams bidding on Allen now not only have to meet Hughes' price, they have to meet the price of what he would get with Allen sitting on only 1 year left on his contract (which conceivably would be a better return since there is less salary commitment). Also possible that Hughes will agree to retain salary on Allen after Edmundson's retention slot comes off the books in July, so that could further enhance the value on a return.
I've seen some rumors that Anaheim might be one team interested in Allen as a replacement once they ship Gibson out, but in Anaheim's case, it might make more sense to make that trade in the summer. And if Hughes knows that Anaheim would potentially be willing to give up, say, a high 2nd rounder for Allen with Montreal retaining 50% on that last year of his deal, then teams like Colorado or Edmonton that are bidding now would have to come up with something to match that. If they come close, I'm sure Hughes would take the sure thing now rather than wait, but this whole situation could put pressure on teams to make their bids better. The goalie market right now seems to be a lot of question marks too, with Gibson being hurt off and on, teams unsure of Saros is available or not, Markstrom's trade having fallen through for unknown reasons, and now Columbus sitting on a GM replacement just weeks ahead of the deadline and trying to figure out how that affects the ask for Merzlikins.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 17, 2024 0:33:59 GMT
The Nashville Predators have made goaltender Juuse Saros available on the trade market but are not committed to trading him before March 8, TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun reports.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 17, 2024 20:38:00 GMT
Seems to be smoke around Zegras coming our way nothing real just a lot of talk I wonder if would pan out here? same age as our core heck he is even from the same draft as a few of them! A lot negative stuff about him this season but after watching that team the other night I don't know if it is as much him or a total lack of direction on the team! He is buddies with CC and he would look good with Dach and a good defensive minded play on the line with them. It would give us a good 1-2 punch.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 17, 2024 20:52:57 GMT
Seems to be smoke around Zegras coming our way nothing real just a lot of talk I wonder if would pan out here? same age as our core heck he is even from the same draft as a few of them! A lot negative stuff about him this season but after watching that team the other night I don't know if it is as much him or a total lack of direction on the team! He is buddies with CC and he would look good with Dach and a good defensive minded play on the line with them. It would give us a good 1-2 punch. I'll never say no to skill unless they're fragile like JD. We've been starving for skill. Maybe in the right environment TZ would excel. Up to HUGO to do the psych eval. 🥳
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 17, 2024 21:15:03 GMT
Seems to be smoke around Zegras coming our way nothing real just a lot of talk I wonder if would pan out here? same age as our core heck he is even from the same draft as a few of them! A lot negative stuff about him this season but after watching that team the other night I don't know if it is as much him or a total lack of direction on the team! He is buddies with CC and he would look good with Dach and a good defensive minded play on the line with them. It would give us a good 1-2 punch. I don't think there's ever been anything substantiated to say that Hughes likes Zegras or that Anaheim has talked to us about him. But I had posted this a while ago that Anaheim trading him here seems like a good fit, especially if they can get a player like Guhle in return. Why?
- Zegras is friends with Caufield and his former teammate. He was here over the summer visiting CC and attending the Grand Prix. - Zegras is also former teammates with Habs' prospect Sean Farrell.
- Zegras apparently follows a bunch of Habs' social media accounts online.
- Zegras if from the Northeastern US and played a year of collegiate at Boston U, where Hughes has a lot of connections.
- The Habs need a top 6 center with more scoring ability. - Hughes likes to go after players he knows well or where he has trusted sources who can inform him on them. - Anaheim had a change of GMs recently, and Verbeek traded away Zegras' friend Drysdale, fueling speculation Zegras too would be on the block.
- Anaheim has a wealth of younger centers like Mctavish, Carlsson, and Gauthier, so they have bigger needs than Zegras right now.
Put a lot of that together and it just seems to make sense that there could be a fit here. Again, I am not saying I endorse this a our best possible move, just that it's something that could be available to us. I also believe Hughes should be exploring a trade for Kent Johnson, who has been in and out of the doghouse in Columbus. With Columbus also in need of a new GM and Jeff Gorton's friend John Davidson seemingly in charge for now, that could be another option for us to look at with a guy who is less proven but also cheaper in terms of contract. Jiricek is another younger player who is reportedly unhappy there, and right now, I think Guhle holds more value than Jiricek. So I wonder if a deal could be made along the lines of Guhle, Newhook, Barron, and the Jets' 2024 1st rounder for Jiricek and Johnson.
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Post by habsalways on Feb 17, 2024 22:41:31 GMT
Just say no to Zegras ... yeesh, he's a liability.
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Post by habsalways on Feb 17, 2024 22:44:49 GMT
That's far too much for those two guys 3 former 1st round draft picks and a 1st rounder from WPG for 2 guys? albeit top 10 players, still way too much
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Post by ramcharger440 on Feb 17, 2024 23:27:10 GMT
Seems to be smoke around Zegras coming our way nothing real just a lot of talk I wonder if would pan out here? same age as our core heck he is even from the same draft as a few of them! A lot negative stuff about him this season but after watching that team the other night I don't know if it is as much him or a total lack of direction on the team! He is buddies with CC and he would look good with Dach and a good defensive minded play on the line with them. It would give us a good 1-2 punch. I don't think there's ever been anything substantiated to say that Hughes likes Zegras or that Anaheim has talked to us about him. But I had posted this a while ago that Anaheim trading him here seems like a good fit, especially if they can get a player like Guhle in return. Why?
- Zegras is friends with Caufield and his former teammate. He was here over the summer visiting CC and attending the Grand Prix. - Zegras is also former teammates with Habs' prospect Sean Farrell.
- Zegras apparently follows a bunch of Habs' social media accounts online.
- Zegras if from the Northeastern US and played a year of collegiate at Boston U, where Hughes has a lot of connections.
- The Habs need a top 6 center with more scoring ability. - Hughes likes to go after players he knows well or where he has trusted sources who can inform him on them. - Anaheim had a change of GMs recently, and Verbeek traded away Zegras' friend Drysdale, fueling speculation Zegras too would be on the block.
- Anaheim has a wealth of younger centers like Mctavish, Carlsson, and Gauthier, so they have bigger needs than Zegras right now.
Put a lot of that together and it just seems to make sense that there could be a fit here. Again, I am not saying I endorse this a our best possible move, just that it's something that could be available to us. I also believe Hughes should be exploring a trade for Kent Johnson, who has been in and out of the doghouse in Columbus. With Columbus also in need of a new GM and Jeff Gorton's friend John Davidson seemingly in charge for now, that could be another option for us to look at with a guy who is less proven but also cheaper in terms of contract. Jiricek is another younger player who is reportedly unhappy there, and right now, I think Guhle holds more value than Jiricek. So I wonder if a deal could be made along the lines of Guhle, Newhook, Barron, and the Jets' 2024 1st rounder for Jiricek and Johnson.
That feels like a lot to give up! Guhle is not going anywhere he is going to be the cornerstone of our D for a long time and we just picked up Newhook so it would be odd to move him right away. I have no issue moving Barron and a pick for this kind of move perhaps throw in a young prospect who does not seem to be in favor here like Ylo would probably be more realistic for us and perhaps work for them too depending on the pick.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 18, 2024 1:59:48 GMT
That's far too much for those two guys 3 former 1st round draft picks and a 1st rounder from WPG for 2 guys? albeit top 10 players, still way too much
I would make that deal without hesitating. Guhle for Jiricek is taking on the less proven player but one who has already shown he can compete at the NHL level and a righty, which helps us out tremendously. I think Barron has too many holes in his game to have a high likelihood of being a top 3 defenceman, and depth defencemen are replaceable. Newhook is good, but again, I don't think the ceiling is as high as Johnson's, and I like Johnson's chances of becoming a top 2 center more than Newhook's. The 1st is a useful piece but IMO a necessary piece to throw in.
I've said this many times before, but drafting and trading to me is about ceilings. Get the guys with the highest ones. I admit there is risk with this trade because we're taking on the less proven commodities, but if I don't think Newhook is more than a middle 6 winger, Guhle a #3 D man, Barron a bottom-pairing guy, and the late 1st rounder a player with a 30% chance of becoming a regular NHLer, then the upside of Johnson/Jiricek is more intriguing to me.
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Post by claremont on Feb 18, 2024 2:51:47 GMT
That's far too much for those two guys 3 former 1st round draft picks and a 1st rounder from WPG for 2 guys? albeit top 10 players, still way too much
I would make that deal without hesitating. Guhle for Jiricek is taking on the less proven player but one who has already shown he can compete at the NHL level and a righty, which helps us out tremendously. I think Barron has too many holes in his game to have a high likelihood of being a top 3 defenceman, and depth defencemen are replaceable. Newhook is good, but again, I don't think the ceiling is as high as Johnson's, and I like Johnson's chances of becoming a top 2 center more than Newhook's. The 1st is a useful piece but IMO a necessary piece to throw in.
I've said this many times before, but drafting and trading to me is about ceilings. Get the guys with the highest ones. I admit there is risk with this trade because we're taking on the less proven commodities, but if I don't think Newhook is more than a middle 6 winger, Guhle a #3 D man, Barron a bottom-pairing guy, and the late 1st rounder a player with a 30% chance of becoming a regular NHLer, then the upside of Johnson/Jiricek is more intriguing to me.
You make some good points. The one problem for me in this analysis is that by trading Guhle you’ve taken a position of LHD strength and perhaps weakened it or loaded an awful lot of pressure on a Hutson or Engstrom to aspire to the #1. Matheson likely not to be here for the longer run. IMO Guhle is your poor man’s version / insurance policy for that #1. I regard him as a piece of the core until others mature. Guhle has been adept at playing the right side and likely provides the steady depth for Reinbacher and Mailloux to develop. I’d be more agreeable to this if Harris was pushed to this trade vs Guhle. A minor point - I like trades that work for both teams. Columbus is locked at LHD with Werenski and the talented Mateychuk coming up. That reduces their need for a 5/6 LHD when Guhle is more than adept at that level.
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Post by maasart on Feb 18, 2024 4:02:46 GMT
Seems to be smoke around Zegras coming our way nothing real just a lot of talk I wonder if would pan out here? same age as our core heck he is even from the same draft as a few of them! A lot negative stuff about him this season but after watching that team the other night I don't know if it is as much him or a total lack of direction on the team! He is buddies with CC and he would look good with Dach and a good defensive minded play on the line with them. It would give us a good 1-2 punch. I don't think there's ever been anything substantiated to say that Hughes likes Zegras or that Anaheim has talked to us about him. But I had posted this a while ago that Anaheim trading him here seems like a good fit, especially if they can get a player like Guhle in return. Why?
- Zegras is friends with Caufield and his former teammate. He was here over the summer visiting CC and attending the Grand Prix. - Zegras is also former teammates with Habs' prospect Sean Farrell.
- Zegras apparently follows a bunch of Habs' social media accounts online.
- Zegras if from the Northeastern US and played a year of collegiate at Boston U, where Hughes has a lot of connections.
- The Habs need a top 6 center with more scoring ability. - Hughes likes to go after players he knows well or where he has trusted sources who can inform him on them. - Anaheim had a change of GMs recently, and Verbeek traded away Zegras' friend Drysdale, fueling speculation Zegras too would be on the block.
- Anaheim has a wealth of younger centers like Mctavish, Carlsson, and Gauthier, so they have bigger needs than Zegras right now.
Put a lot of that together and it just seems to make sense that there could be a fit here. Again, I am not saying I endorse this a our best possible move, just that it's something that could be available to us. I also believe Hughes should be exploring a trade for Kent Johnson, who has been in and out of the doghouse in Columbus. With Columbus also in need of a new GM and Jeff Gorton's friend John Davidson seemingly in charge for now, that could be another option for us to look at with a guy who is less proven but also cheaper in terms of contract. Jiricek is another younger player who is reportedly unhappy there, and right now, I think Guhle holds more value than Jiricek. So I wonder if a deal could be made along the lines of Guhle, Newhook, Barron, and the Jets' 2024 1st rounder for Jiricek and Johnson.
If they'd swap Xhekaj for Guhle id make that deal but otherwise i think its too much even though i do love both those players from Columbus.
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 18, 2024 15:35:11 GMT
I would make that deal without hesitating. Guhle for Jiricek is taking on the less proven player but one who has already shown he can compete at the NHL level and a righty, which helps us out tremendously. I think Barron has too many holes in his game to have a high likelihood of being a top 3 defenceman, and depth defencemen are replaceable. Newhook is good, but again, I don't think the ceiling is as high as Johnson's, and I like Johnson's chances of becoming a top 2 center more than Newhook's. The 1st is a useful piece but IMO a necessary piece to throw in.
I've said this many times before, but drafting and trading to me is about ceilings. Get the guys with the highest ones. I admit there is risk with this trade because we're taking on the less proven commodities, but if I don't think Newhook is more than a middle 6 winger, Guhle a #3 D man, Barron a bottom-pairing guy, and the late 1st rounder a player with a 30% chance of becoming a regular NHLer, then the upside of Johnson/Jiricek is more intriguing to me.
You make some good points. The one problem for me in this analysis is that by trading Guhle you’ve taken a position of LHD strength and perhaps weakened it or loaded an awful lot of pressure on a Hutson or Engstrom to aspire to the #1. Matheson likely not to be here for the longer run. IMO Guhle is your poor man’s version / insurance policy for that #1. I regard him as a piece of the core until others mature. Guhle has been adept at playing the right side and likely provides the steady depth for Reinbacher and Mailloux to develop. I’d be more agreeable to this if Harris was pushed to this trade vs Guhle. A minor point - I like trades that work for both teams. Columbus is locked at LHD with Werenski and the talented Mateychuk coming up. That reduces their need for a 5/6 LHD when Guhle is more than adept at that level.
From our end, we have Matheson, Hutson, Engstrom, Harris, Struble, and Xhekaj still down the left side. There are also a few LHD projected to go in the top 10 this year, so trading a Guhle now makes it easier for us to go BPA if our turn comes up and a player like Silayev or Buium is the next guy on our list, for example. I'm not too worried about what's left over on our left side to be honest, and right now, we're not even using Guhle routinely on the left side and we're fine.
As for Columbus, I'm not sure if you're saying they'd benefit from Guhle joining their left side or saying they don't need him. Right now, they're crowded on the right side, with Severson, Peeke, Boqvist, and Gudbranson, and they can't find a spot to insert Ceulemans or Jiricek, the latter of whom has become disgruntled as a result. So they're kind of like we are at LHD, with a veteran in his late 20s and then a bunch of younger guys mainly pushing for roster spots but not enough space to fit everyone in. On the left, they have Werenski, they have Mateychuk coming, and they have Provorov probably on his way out if you believe the rumors, but those are all puck-moving D men who don't provide a lot of toughness. Guhle would fit a need for them at LHD, and swapping out Jiricek for Guhle helps both clubs out in terms of the ratio of younger players on each side of the ice. They also get Barron as an insurance policy if they decide to move someone else off the right side in a separate trade. Jiricek-Reinbacher-Mailloux is to me, better than Reinbacher-Mailloux-Barron, and the upgrade there is more valuable to me than the downgrade of Matheson-Guhle-Struble to Matheson-Struble-Xhekaj/Harris, especially with Hutson and Engstrom on the way. I've said it before, but you have to give to get and Guhle is IMO one of the more valuable trade chips we have to address a need.
On the front end, Johnson for Newhook is for me a needed upgrade in potential down the middle. We have 4 top 6 forwards right now in Suzuki, CC, Slaf, and Dach. Newhook is fringe. He's a middle 6 player but ideally better-suited to being a 3rd line winger, not a 2C. Johnson at least gives you the potential to have a 2C with more offensive ability, and I like his overall game more than Zegras'. If you end up drafting a Demidov or an Eiserman, for example then it can leave you with
Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky Demidov/Eiserman-Johnson-Dach Roy-Beck-Ylonen Heineman-Evans-Anderson
as an example. I'd be pretty happy with that.
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Post by regis on Feb 18, 2024 16:17:42 GMT
☝️ You need to pencil 8n #11 for three more years And I know how much you like Ylonen but I think his days here are numbered .
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Post by claremont on Feb 18, 2024 16:36:12 GMT
On the front end, Johnson for Newhook is for me a needed upgrade in potential down the middle. We have 4 top 6 forwards right now in Suzuki, CC, Slaf, and Dach. Newhook is fringe. He's a middle 6 player but ideally better-suited to being a 3rd line winger, not a 2C. Johnson at least gives you the potential to have a 2C with more offensive ability, and I like his overall game more than Zegras'. If you end up drafting a Demidov or an Eiserman, for example then it can leave you with
Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky Demidov/Eiserman-Johnson-Dach Roy-Beck-Ylonen Heineman-Evans-Anderson
as an example. I'd be pretty happy with that.
I get the top 2 lines, but we need some more severity of changes if we are continuing an upward trajectory. We have made progress on defense and that part is starting to look bright. We seem to have made some progess in goal with Monty having some streaks, Primeau having more stability vs. last year, and Fowler on the way. I suspect a lot of readers here would not share your happiness with lines 3 & 4, especially Ylonen. I will give Roy some more rope, but his motor / engagement / skating appears to be a weakness. At least Newhook drives some plays and if he is fringe Ylonen is Fringe - 2 levels and falling into the category of Finns with shortcomings. I realize you have to give something to get something re; Newhook. I would push and hope young Mesar can fill that 3rd line RW. We need another player to rise up and take over Evans spot. BTW, I am not a Zegras fan - he just seems too finesse a player for my liking, and the price to get him, seems to be high. Quite a few not enamoured with Anderson either, but I believe one rough season doesn't define him, and why sell low on him, so the rest of this season and next season to the trade deadline will determine his fate. Now Dvorak, Armia, Evans, (I will ignore Gally who is the untradeable boat anchor - buyout etc.), all little value as who needs 3rd round and 4th round picks? So I agree the need is enormous at centre. I certainly hope we can draft a Lindstrom, Iginla even Catton (despite the size issue), and acquire another centre (assumng dach is not a centre). Beck could make a fabulous 4th line centre if we obtained 1, 2, 3 depth.
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Post by HTL on Feb 18, 2024 17:55:48 GMT
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Post by RCAF48 on Feb 18, 2024 20:36:01 GMT
Ylonen is as vastly over rated as Newhook is under rated.
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Post by maasart on Feb 23, 2024 1:01:14 GMT
Some concerns in Vegas that Stone is going to be out long term (he has a lacerated spleen & is listed out indefinitely but there's word they are looking to possibly make a trade in case he cant go in the playoffs...
Would Anderson be of any interest? You have to think his value is quite low now but in Vegas he'd be surrounded by a lot of talent and has always been a strong playoff performer... doubt we could get much for him but they could afford to give up a prospect/pick for help now & i dont see Anderson in our long term plans...
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Post by BigTed3 on Feb 23, 2024 2:03:00 GMT
Some concerns in Vegas that Stone is going to be out long term (he has a lacerated spleen & is listed out indefinitely but there's word they are looking to possibly make a trade in case he cant go in the playoffs... Would Anderson be of any interest? You have to think his value is quite low now but in Vegas he'd be surrounded by a lot of talent and has always been a strong playoff performer... doubt we could get much for him but they could afford to give up a prospect/pick for help now & i dont see Anderson in our long term plans...
Would have to guess they're not looking at a guy with term as much, given they know Stone will be back next year. I can see them having more interest in a player Guentzel or maybe Tarasenko or Eberle. Would they repatriate a player like Pacioretty or Reilly Smith? Or would they consider a guy like Buchnevich, who has just a year left after this one? I'd have a hard time believing they see Anderson as their best option. I doubt Anderson moves anywhere this year, but if ever we were going to move him, I'd have to think teams that got muscled out of the playoffs, like New Jersey, would be more interested than anyone else. I could maybe see teams like Edmonton or Boston having interest too, but only if we retained salary. In the off-season, maybe teams like Calgary, St. Louis, Arizona, or Philly join the mix... teams that think they need change but don't want to do full rebuilds from where they are.
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Post by electron58 on Feb 23, 2024 15:14:05 GMT
Not a rumour but............
The fans may be having trouble getting in the building in LA but the scouts aren't!
Largest gathering of the season for NSH-LAK:
CHI (2) NYR (2) MTL (2) BOS CBJ DAL EDM FLA VGK MIN WPG NJD PHI TBL CGY
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Post by electron58 on Feb 23, 2024 16:03:09 GMT
........................................................................................Offiially two weeks away from TDL.
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