regis
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Post by regis on Jun 14, 2024 14:47:49 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jun 14, 2024 15:56:39 GMT
I would be ok with trading for him at 25% retained (so his cost is $6.5m) if the cost to acquire him was either Josh Anderson or Brendan Gallagher. Im not giving up quality assets to get him.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jun 14, 2024 17:12:11 GMT
One thing that I think would make Laine a good fit here is the overall euro vibe to the city and the fact that hockey is the #1 sport in MTL it might invigorate him he has world class skill if he can relaunch he would be a force. I would look into it to see if there is some cheap way for us to get it done but like everyone else here I will not give up a good future player for him!
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Post by maasart on Jun 14, 2024 20:40:18 GMT
One thing that I think would make Laine a good fit here is the overall euro vibe to the city and the fact that hockey is the #1 sport in MTL it might invigorate him he has world class skill if he can relaunch he would be a force. I would look into it to see if there is some cheap way for us to get it done but like everyone else here I will not give up a good future player for him! The 2 biggest problems with Laine is that 1) Columbus likely wants something for him and dont want a bad contract although i dont think they are in a position of power and 2) IF laine bounces back, he'll likely want even more money in 2 years. So its fine to acquire him as a band-aid solution until some new draft picks are ready but you dont want to give up too much because if he gets back to 40+ goals a year, look out, he'll want bigger money than we'll want to give him.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jun 14, 2024 21:29:55 GMT
One thing that I think would make Laine a good fit here is the overall euro vibe to the city and the fact that hockey is the #1 sport in MTL it might invigorate him he has world class skill if he can relaunch he would be a force. I would look into it to see if there is some cheap way for us to get it done but like everyone else here I will not give up a good future player for him! The 2 biggest problems with Laine is that 1) Columbus likely wants something for him and dont want a bad contract although i dont think they are in a position of power and 2) IF laine bounces back, he'll likely want even more money in 2 years. So its fine to acquire him as a band-aid solution until some new draft picks are ready but you dont want to give up too much because if he gets back to 40+ goals a year, look out, he'll want bigger money than we'll want to give him. Oh I hear ya it is a risk reward thing but nothing ventured nothing gained, we know he can be an elite player if he turns it around it could be something special of course he could also flop!
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Post by regis on Jun 14, 2024 22:31:35 GMT
Hereβs one on IG Canadienscreations
Christian Dvorak and David Savard placed on the. Trade market according to Frank Seravelli
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Post by regis on Jun 16, 2024 16:33:26 GMT
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jun 16, 2024 19:10:07 GMT
No. We are looking to add skill to our lineup we are weak up front so for me it is a hard pass to use one of our top forwards as trade bait! use a D player or prospect otherwise we are not moving forward at all.
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Post by maasart on Jun 16, 2024 19:38:57 GMT
No. Lateral move skill-wise and Caufield is 2 years younger. I still think they need dmen more than forwards so Matheson makes the most sense for both teams.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 17, 2024 0:18:44 GMT
No. Why? Caufield fits in in Montreal. We know he gets along with his teammates and can play in the limelight. So for me to deal him means we'd have to be getting an upgrade or getting some type of other significant advantage to us, and Necas isn't definitively better than Caufield. Conversely, Necas has had success on a good team and a good system. He's still a good player, but we don't know what he'll be able to replicate in Montreal. Again, not a big enough of an upgrade or play driver on his own to warrant making that swap.
As I posted before, I think a more interesting swap for the Habs would be to deal Caufield to Ottawa for pick 7 and other assets. It sets you back on the timeline a little bit, but if it means you can add a Lindstrom or Demidov at 5 and then an Iginla or Sennecke at 7, that could be huge for the Habs. Doubtful that happens, but to me the #7 pick is a more valuable asset (knowing who's in this draft) compared to Necas, when you factor in age, cost, and potential ceiling.
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Post by claremont on Jun 17, 2024 12:09:18 GMT
No. Lateral move skill-wise and Caufield is 2 years younger. I still think they need dmen more than forwards so Matheson makes the most sense for both teams. There's a few factors involved in a blockbuster trade such as the Necas for Caufield proposal or even Laine 1) Is the team in desperation for change mode, or fans getting restless? Deadline trades IMO don't count within that definition 2) is the GM trying to save his job with a home run swing? 3) Does the player being traded really want to be with the team or fit the identity? This proposal doesn't make sense within the scheme of the above If we look at a couple of other mammoth trades where a team trades one of it's core / top 5 players as CC is definitely core top 5 for years to come: a) Karlsson to the Penguins fits - He was going no where with the Sharks, and Dubas was making a desperate attempt to reset that team with aging Crosby / Malkin / Letang b) Tkachuk did not want to be in Calgary, so he was traded to the Panthers for Huberdeau who was coming off a monster season. Treliving was probably held hostage by Tkachuk and was likely on his last legs as the Flames GM c) One might argue the Subban for Weber sort of fits - reportedly a rift in the team chemistry with Patches and others. PL Dubois from Winnipeg to the Kings - somewhat similar. Dubois from Columbus to the Jets for Laine the year before. d) Vegas acquiring Eichel from The Sabres for Kreb, Tuch and picks. Clearly Eichel had a difference of opinion on his neck surgery vs. Buffalo mgmt. and their medical staff. So in the Caufield for Necas deal. Caufield fits the identity that the habs are building. High skill, fast tempo, energetic and by all reports loves the teammates - Suzuki, Slaf, Arber, Guhle etc. Hugo are under no pressure to build this team into an immediate contender. Molson seems to have given them plenty of time, and the fan base is not at that feverish pitch to demand massive change. Although I don't see HuGo morphing into a Sam Pollock / David Poile / Doug Armstrong / Lou Lamoriello / Brendan Shanahan (Non-GM) longevity reign of 10 years plus (maybe 8-10, time is on their side. Ditto for the Laine deal unless we are giving up spare parts and not even top draft picks. Now on the flip side - The Marner proposals will be interesting. That fan base is ravenous for change vs. Marner digging in on his NMC. His treatment by the fan base will be something to watch. Years ago they ran Larry Murphy out of town for being inadequate and soft on D and he turned into an all star d-man.
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Post by claremont on Jun 17, 2024 12:38:23 GMT
No. Why? Caufield fits in in Montreal. We know he gets along with his teammates and can play in the limelight. So for me to deal him means we'd have to be getting an upgrade or getting some type of other significant advantage to us, and Necas isn't definitively better than Caufield. Conversely, Necas has had success on a good team and a good system. He's still a good player, but we don't know what he'll be able to replicate in Montreal. Again, not a big enough of an upgrade or play driver on his own to warrant making that swap.
As I posted before, I think a more interesting swap for the Habs would be to deal Caufield to Ottawa for pick 7 and other assets. It sets you back on the timeline a little bit, but if it means you can add a Lindstrom or Demidov at 5 and then an Iginla or Sennecke at 7, that could be huge for the Habs. Doubtful that happens, but to me the #7 pick is a more valuable asset (knowing who's in this draft) compared to Necas, when you factor in age, cost, and potential ceiling.
I cannot see HuGo playing that long game by trading a top 6 player especially interdivisional to Ottawa. I know you said doubtful and it's creative but I see increasing albeit slight pressure from the fan base to continue an upward trajectory vs. flatlining for a couple more years. I would suggest Matheson if any of our top players would be the easier one to shop, especially since we have some depth on the back end. Losing CC would be catastrophic on our ability to score (net of Necas), until those picks came in D+2 timing. If there are teams that would trade their 1st round pick down for our #26 plus a roster player, my order of likelihood would be: 1) Minnesota #13 - cap crunch they need roster players that are cheap. May not get you a Sennecke but maybe an Eiserman, Catton, MBN etc. 2) New Jersey # 10 - Disappointing last season, Dougie Hamilton RHD returns -they could use a better 3rd pairing LHD unless they go Free agent. 3) Washington #17 - beyond Carlson, not much in their D pool. Limited cap space even with Backstrom on LTIR. Maybe this pick helps you get a Greentree, Boisvert or similar target. 4) Nashville #22 - Not huge movement but the Preds beyond an upcoming Molendyk have very little LHD. similar to above. 5) Barfalo - #11 - Interdivisional but this team needs to deliver on some promise and escape their perennial playoff drought Detroit - I don't see we can offer much, plus interdivsional. Yzerman has to be on a hot seat given his tenure. Edvinsson is their LHD of the future and they are committed to a couple of other LHD
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 17, 2024 13:17:00 GMT
No. Why? Caufield fits in in Montreal. We know he gets along with his teammates and can play in the limelight. So for me to deal him means we'd have to be getting an upgrade or getting some type of other significant advantage to us, and Necas isn't definitively better than Caufield. Conversely, Necas has had success on a good team and a good system. He's still a good player, but we don't know what he'll be able to replicate in Montreal. Again, not a big enough of an upgrade or play driver on his own to warrant making that swap.
As I posted before, I think a more interesting swap for the Habs would be to deal Caufield to Ottawa for pick 7 and other assets. It sets you back on the timeline a little bit, but if it means you can add a Lindstrom or Demidov at 5 and then an Iginla or Sennecke at 7, that could be huge for the Habs. Doubtful that happens, but to me the #7 pick is a more valuable asset (knowing who's in this draft) compared to Necas, when you factor in age, cost, and potential ceiling.
I cannot see HuGo playing that long game by trading a top 6 player especially interdivisional to Ottawa. I know you said doubtful and it's creative but I see increasing albeit slight pressure from the fan base to continue an upward trajectory vs. flatlining for a couple more years. I would suggest Matheson if any of our top players would be the easier one to shop, especially since we have some depth on the back end. Losing CC would be catastrophic on our ability to score (net of Necas), until those picks came in D+2 timing. If there are teams that would trade their 1st round pick down for our #26 plus a roster player, my order of likelihood would be: 1) Minnesota #13 - cap crunch they need roster players that are cheap. May not get you a Sennecke but maybe an Eiserman, Catton, MBN etc. 2) New Jersey # 10 - Disappointing last season, Dougie Hamilton RHD returns -they could use a better 3rd pairing LHD unless they go Free agent. 3) Washington #17 - beyond Carlson, not much in their D pool. Limited cap space even with Backstrom on LTIR. Maybe this pick helps you get a Greentree, Boisvert or similar target. 4) Nashville #22 - Not huge movement but the Preds beyond an upcoming Molendyk have very little LHD. similar to above. 5) Barfalo - #11 - Interdivisional but this team needs to deliver on some promise and escape their perennial playoff drought Detroit - I don't see we can offer much, plus interdivsional. Yzerman has to be on a hot seat given his tenure. Edvinsson is their LHD of the future and they are committed to a couple of other LHD I think the three lottery teams most willing to make a splash are the ones who have already declared they would trade their first rounder: NJ, Buf, and Ott. All three teams thought they were playoff-caliber last year, all three teams are young enough to be on the rise, and all feel like they can and should make a jump this year. Many felt like NJ would challenge for a Cup last season and they fell well short. A common link was a lack of goaltending, but past that, those teams lacked strong veteran defenders too. NJ lost Hamilton to injury, the others just didn't have anyone.
Now I'd be surprised if any of them view Matheson as the solution. Buf and Ott both need much more help on the right than the left. NJ needs more help in net and at power forward. Perhaps Buffalo would have interest in Savard, but that wouldn't be enough to move pick 11 IMO. So creativity and/or a 3rd team might need to be involved for this type of a trade. Ultimately, I don't think pick 26 is going to get us up to the 7-11 range in the draft, no matter who we add. I think one of Matheson, Guhle, or Xhekaj could draw that high a pick, but then adding 26 isn't the key piece. Adding a Dvorak, Anderson, Savard, Harris, Evans, etc. to 26 isn't getting us anywhere in the top 12. Once you get out of the first 12-14 picks, there's a big drop off in talent for me, and I'd want to see how the draft is playing out before trying to move up to something like 17 or 20. You might be able to get a player like Liam Greentree or Chernyshov there, but then what's the cost of grabbing that type of a player compared to staying where you are and adding a Basha or a Surin or so on? Conversely, if a player like Eiserman happens to fall to the late teens, that's the type of player you'd consider going in on at the draft table once you know he's still there.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 18, 2024 13:44:33 GMT
Going to come back to PLD. The situation, to remind everyone, is that he can currently be bought out for 1/3 of his contract total because he's under the age of 26. He turns 26 on June 24th, and the buyout window opens 48 hours after the end of the Cup finals. So if the series ends tonight or in 6 games, the Kings have the option of buying out PLD for 1/3 of the total remaining contract. If the series goes 7 games, then it would cost the Kings 2/3 of the total amount instead (for a 26+ year-old player). So something to keep an eye on. Most pundits seem to think there's a good chance he'll be bought out if it's 1/3 but that he won't at 2/3.
So let's say he's bought out. He would have now run through Clb, Wpg, and LA within the space of a couple of years and have had issues in all those places. He's got an awful reputation right now of being a prima donna and of being lazy and inconsistent. I said before I wouldn't have traded for him and given up key assets and I said before I wouldn't have paid him what he wanted on a longterm deal. But now both those things could be out the window. I do continue to have questions about whether he's simply bad for the locker room, but he could also be a low-risk, high-reward player.
What happens if you get to draft day and Ana and Clb take Lindstrom and Demidov in some order and you end up drafting Iginla, Sennecke, or even a D man? It leaves you with an ongoing organizational need for a center. Now you could try to bridge that with a player like Stamkos, as I've discussed before. But if you're PLD and you've burned bridges across the league, maybe your thought it to try to go somewhere to resurrect your career. Playing for MSL could do that. Playing in Montreal, where there are available spots in the top 6 and on the PP could do that. Playing on an up-and-coming team with a young core but lower expectations could do that. Now I do not think Hughes will pay him big money or especially not big years, but this could be a similar situation to what Hughes offered Sean Monahan. Come play for us for a year, maybe 2-3 years, on a reasonable contract. Here's 2.5 or 3.5M AAV for those 2-3 years. Let's see what you can do. Let's see if you can be more consistent. You're still 28 or 29 when you're done, with the chance to score a 5-6 year deal for a much higher AAV if you do. That could be a win-win scenario for both sides.
Again, from the Habs' side of things, I think you need to weight your alternatives. I'm not in a rush to bring PLD in and maybe drafting a Lindstrom and keeping Dach at center for another 2 years is fine. Maybe signing a Stamkos is an option. But I think PLD becomes another alternative to at least explore.
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Post by maasart on Jun 18, 2024 15:52:29 GMT
Going to come back to PLD. The situation, to remind everyone, is that he can currently be bought out for 1/3 of his contract total because he's under the age of 26. He turns 26 on June 24th, and the buyout window opens 48 hours after the end of the Cup finals. So if the series ends tonight or in 6 games, the Kings have the option of buying out PLD for 1/3 of the total remaining contract. If the series goes 7 games, then it would cost the Kings 2/3 of the total amount instead (for a 26+ year-old player). So something to keep an eye on. Most pundits seem to think there's a good chance he'll be bought out if it's 1/3 but that he won't at 2/3. So let's say he's bought out. He would have now run through Clb, Wpg, and LA within the space of a couple of years and have had issues in all those places. He's got an awful reputation right now of being a prima donna and of being lazy and inconsistent. I said before I wouldn't have traded for him and given up key assets and I said before I wouldn't have paid him what he wanted on a longterm deal. But now both those things could be out the window. I do continue to have questions about whether he's simply bad for the locker room, but he could also be a low-risk, high-reward player. What happens if you get to draft day and Ana and Clb take Lindstrom and Demidov in some order and you end up drafting Iginla, Sennecke, or even a D man? It leaves you with an ongoing organizational need for a center. Now you could try to bridge that with a player like Stamkos, as I've discussed before. But if you're PLD and you've burned bridges across the league, maybe your thought it to try to go somewhere to resurrect your career. Playing for MSL could do that. Playing in Montreal, where there are available spots in the top 6 and on the PP could do that. Playing on an up-and-coming team with a young core but lower expectations could do that. Now I do not think Hughes will pay him big money or especially not big years, but this could be a similar situation to what Hughes offered Sean Monahan. Come play for us for a year, maybe 2-3 years, on a reasonable contract. Here's 2.5 or 3.5M AAV for those 2-3 years. Let's see what you can do. Let's see if you can be more consistent. You're still 28 or 29 when you're done, with the chance to score a 5-6 year deal for a much higher AAV if you do. That could be a win-win scenario for both sides. Again, from the Habs' side of things, I think you need to weight your alternatives. I'm not in a rush to bring PLD in and maybe drafting a Lindstrom and keeping Dach at center for another 2 years is fine. Maybe signing a Stamkos is an option. But I think PLD becomes another alternative to at least explore. Like you, very nervous about PLD but also, there's a chance there is something very special there. The thing is, PLD at 100% is probably our best player. He has the skillset to be absolutely dominant. But most nights in Columbus, Winnipeg & LA he was playing at 60% or less. If you could get him for $3-4m a year & not have to give up assets to sign him then PLD at 60% is still a decent middle six guy who can go on streaks of game-breaking talent. The only concern is off-ice affect to the other players. Is it possible its the "adam fox" factor: "I wont play for anyone but my team?" Maybe. Unlikely, but what if it was? cost would likely be next to nothing. Im not sure Hughes would take that risk to our "culture" and as much as people like and respect Suzuki, im not sure he's the type of leader who could keep a guy like PLD in line. I remember Jagr talking about coming into the league as a bit of a prima donna and Mario having no part in that & ultimately Jagr said it turned him into the player he became.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 18, 2024 19:30:15 GMT
Going to come back to PLD. The situation, to remind everyone, is that he can currently be bought out for 1/3 of his contract total because he's under the age of 26. He turns 26 on June 24th, and the buyout window opens 48 hours after the end of the Cup finals. So if the series ends tonight or in 6 games, the Kings have the option of buying out PLD for 1/3 of the total remaining contract. If the series goes 7 games, then it would cost the Kings 2/3 of the total amount instead (for a 26+ year-old player). So something to keep an eye on. Most pundits seem to think there's a good chance he'll be bought out if it's 1/3 but that he won't at 2/3. So let's say he's bought out. He would have now run through Clb, Wpg, and LA within the space of a couple of years and have had issues in all those places. He's got an awful reputation right now of being a prima donna and of being lazy and inconsistent. I said before I wouldn't have traded for him and given up key assets and I said before I wouldn't have paid him what he wanted on a longterm deal. But now both those things could be out the window. I do continue to have questions about whether he's simply bad for the locker room, but he could also be a low-risk, high-reward player. What happens if you get to draft day and Ana and Clb take Lindstrom and Demidov in some order and you end up drafting Iginla, Sennecke, or even a D man? It leaves you with an ongoing organizational need for a center. Now you could try to bridge that with a player like Stamkos, as I've discussed before. But if you're PLD and you've burned bridges across the league, maybe your thought it to try to go somewhere to resurrect your career. Playing for MSL could do that. Playing in Montreal, where there are available spots in the top 6 and on the PP could do that. Playing on an up-and-coming team with a young core but lower expectations could do that. Now I do not think Hughes will pay him big money or especially not big years, but this could be a similar situation to what Hughes offered Sean Monahan. Come play for us for a year, maybe 2-3 years, on a reasonable contract. Here's 2.5 or 3.5M AAV for those 2-3 years. Let's see what you can do. Let's see if you can be more consistent. You're still 28 or 29 when you're done, with the chance to score a 5-6 year deal for a much higher AAV if you do. That could be a win-win scenario for both sides. Again, from the Habs' side of things, I think you need to weight your alternatives. I'm not in a rush to bring PLD in and maybe drafting a Lindstrom and keeping Dach at center for another 2 years is fine. Maybe signing a Stamkos is an option. But I think PLD becomes another alternative to at least explore. Like you, very nervous about PLD but also, there's a chance there is something very special there. The thing is, PLD at 100% is probably our best player. He has the skillset to be absolutely dominant. But most nights in Columbus, Winnipeg & LA he was playing at 60% or less. If you could get him for $3-4m a year & not have to give up assets to sign him then PLD at 60% is still a decent middle six guy who can go on streaks of game-breaking talent. The only concern is off-ice affect to the other players. Is it possible its the "adam fox" factor: "I wont play for anyone but my team?" Maybe. Unlikely, but what if it was? cost would likely be next to nothing. Im not sure Hughes would take that risk to our "culture" and as much as people like and respect Suzuki, im not sure he's the type of leader who could keep a guy like PLD in line. I remember Jagr talking about coming into the league as a bit of a prima donna and Mario having no part in that & ultimately Jagr said it turned him into the player he became. 1. I don't think PLD wanted to play for only us. Nobody forced him to sign a longterm deal in LA. He could have taken 1 year and walked. He wanted the money.
2. I also have questions about whether anyone can motivate him. Either a buyout wakes him up or it doesn't. I wouldn't give him term. It's 2-3 years max at a low AAV or I wouldn't sign him. The guy who might help him most here could be Matheson... he could play the I also come from Quebec and this is what it means to play for the Habs card.
3. We would be asking PLD to play a supporting role here. We have decent depth, so I think if he's not playing at a 1st-line level, you could easily give his ice time away to the likes of Dach, Roy, Newhook, Anderson, Dvorak, Gallagher, etc. If he fails here, who else is going to want him...
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 20, 2024 0:00:21 GMT
Mathias Brunet reporting that the Devils are not done and that their next goal is to find a LHD for their top 4. Brunet floated the idea that Matheson for their 10th overall pick in the upcoming draft would be the framework for a deal that works for both teams and that if he were Kent Hughes, he would be putting in that call right away.
Here's what I'd say is the most common consensus on how the draft might play out, putting together a number of mock drafts:
1. Celebrini 2. Levshunov 3. Silayev 4. Lindstrom 5. Demidov 6. Buium 7. Parekh 8. Dickinson 9. Iginla
... that means that at 10, you would be looking at adding a Sennecke, Catton, or Eiserman on top of having added a Demidov at 5. Alternatively, if the picks fall a different way, you're looking at 2 of those other players from the top 9 I listed above falling to you, so it could result in Lindstrom at 5 and a Buium at 10 or Iginla at 5 and Dickinson at 10 or so on. Either way, this top 12 is a strong crop this year. I've said several times that the player you get at 10 or 12 could be just as good as the one you get at 3 or 5. After picks 12-14, there's a fall-off in talent, but if you can add a second top 10 pick, it could be huge. I've already discussed all the reasons I think Hughes would be reluctant to deal Matheson, but if you think with your head instead of your heart, it makes sense to maximize his value now if you can.
Brunet suggested the Habs may need to add something small to the mix. I personally don't think so. Matheson was a top 15 D man in the league last year. He played the 3rd most minutes. He was a point producer and puck mover. He's signed on the cheap for a couple more years. This is a strong asset we possess right now. If Romanov on his own fetched pick 13, Matheson is way more valuable to where the Devils are in their construction right now. IMO, the Habs could actually be the ones to ask for something more than just pick 10. If we were to look at trading Matheson at the deadline this coming year, I think you could easily ask for a 1st rounder from a fringe playoff team as well as a top prospect, so IMO, pick 10 alone may not be enough to get this done.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 20, 2024 0:04:42 GMT
... and outside of the Habs, multiple rumors suggesting the Sens are going to be big into the trade market soon enough. TSN's Travis Yost saying Philly and Ottawa have the framework for a deal in place, though it may only be announced closer to the draft. Some further rumors that either Chychrun or Pinto or both could be leaving Ottawa, with Scott Laughton and Travis Konecny's names circling around as players who may be leaving Philly. Other sources saying that Steve Staios is working on a couple of different deals and that he's looking at moving out Chychrun AND another D man, with thought that the Sens could be bringing someone back in by dealing the 7th overall pick or using that pick to draft a D man they think will be ready soon.
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Post by habsalways on Jun 20, 2024 18:33:15 GMT
PLD becomes the capitals problems now
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 20, 2024 23:11:42 GMT
Reports from Lebrun that teams may be entertaining offersheeting Necas in the range where it's still under 9M, such that the compensation owed is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. He believes Carolina is asking for more than this back and that teams might see the OS as the best solution. The reports are that a 1-year OS would force the Canes to match, be unable to trade him for the first year, then potentially lose him to unrestricted free agency. Not a great solution for Carolina.
Only about 10-12 teams have the picks to be able to make the OS, including Montreal, and some believe that Carolina might be refusing to negotiate with Mtl because of Tom Dundon, so they have nothing to lose by sending in the OS. The Habs do have extra picks in upcoming drafts, so they can afford to lose a 2nd and 3rd. The 1st would hurt if it were a lottery pick. But the question is whether Montreal thinks they can add Necas and other parts to get to the playoffs right away next year. It's an alternative to trading a player like Matheson, Guhle, Caufield, or Xhekaj for Necas.
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