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Post by jenniferrocket on Oct 24, 2024 17:00:23 GMT
I don’t think having Wifi in the lineup would have made Trouba think twice about delivering the hit . It maybe would have made Trouba accountable , but then the NYR , would dress Rempe , and it would turn into a sh🖕tshow. It would be nice if someone beside Wifi stands up for their teammate ( Anderson, Savard, Struble , Armia etc are all big boys ) Then again I don’t think MSL is fond of Wifi . If the translation on IG was correct , MSL wasn’t thrilled when Wifi got kicked out of the preseason game against the leafs. Apparently he put the team short on D ‘cause Reinbscher was injured then Wifi got ejected . 🤦♂️ Marty it was exhibition , Laine was injured , who cares if your short a D man . A message needs to be sent . Put some scrub on D Matheson did go right after Trouba after the Barron hit. Matheson isn't scaring anyone, sure, but at least he put in the effort.  |
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Post by regis on Oct 24, 2024 17:12:34 GMT
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Ok i only saw the hit on replay , and I don’t believe there was any mention of someone going after him .
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Someone needs to step up for their team mate if it means going after trouba throughout the remainder of the game
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Post by BigTed3 on Oct 24, 2024 18:30:09 GMT
Media now questioning if the honeymoon period with MSL is now over? IMO it is. There has to be improvement, as i said before the season started. If we're not in the middle of the pact this year or better, than heads need to roll. 100% it is over. With that said, I don't think he should be fired this season (unless the results are crazy, crazy bad). However, next season, if he cannot get the team moving in the right direction we need to replace MSL and the rest of the coaching staff. It's time for this team to take a step forward. I don't want to become Buffalo.
I guess it depends on your expectations. I know some here thought they would challenge for a playoff spot (and who knows, they still might...) but despite the fact I thought they would improve a bit, I still saw this team as being most likely to finish bottom 10 overall and last in their division. Even though anything CAN happen, the fact is that most of the teams around us in the standings also got better in the off-season and the teams that looked like they might regress on paper were already starting off well ahead of us.
All that to say that the results we've achieved this year aren't really all that surprising. The goaltending has been what I thought it would be. The Suzuki line has under-performed overall, but Caufield is scoring at a nice clip and Suzuki usually start off slowly before getting going. Dach is coming off injury. Laine is hurt. The bottom half of the line-up up front is older vets whose contracts aren't tradeable. Admittedly, the D has been in shambles, but a lot of that has to do with how young they are, and we have to remember that we lost the efficient keep-it-simple duo of Harris and Kovacevic and basically replaced them with Barron, Hutson, and Mailloux. So while that provides a greater offensive ceiling, it also means there are going to be growing pains and defensive gaffes. Ultimately, I'm not sure another coach would be doing any better, and I don't even think this is because the GM has done a bad job, I think this is just the natural history of how a re-build unfolds. Until your young guys have had 3-5 years to hit prime, there are going to be some tough years and like it or not, the Habs are working 4 rookies into the line-up right now (Heineman, Kapanen, Hutson, Mailloux) in combination with a host of other players who have played 100 games or less (or barely played 100). Some of your "vets" include Guhle and Slafkovsky. So who could be doing more? I'll give Dach a pass based on his injury for the time being, so the vets who could step up a bit more include Dvorak, Armia, Newhook, and Savard. Suzuki and Caufield could also be playing more complete games, but that is what it is. So frankly, I don't know what the expectations were for that quartet I listed and who thought those 4 guys were going to be able to lift us 15-20 points in the standings to make the post-season. Our 2nd line still sucks this year, and without that working, there's a trickle-down effect of asking the bottom 6 to do too much. Our D is all over the place, and we're asking Matheson and Hutson to play 25 minutes a night some nights. The coach doesn't seem to trust either of Xhekaj or Savard this year... so yeah, no miraculous start this season but mostly in line with where I expected us to be. Doubt this moves the needle on where HuGo sees MSL.
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Post by maasart on Oct 24, 2024 19:34:37 GMT
100% it is over. With that said, I don't think he should be fired this season (unless the results are crazy, crazy bad). However, next season, if he cannot get the team moving in the right direction we need to replace MSL and the rest of the coaching staff. It's time for this team to take a step forward. I don't want to become Buffalo.
I guess it depends on your expectations. I know some here thought they would challenge for a playoff spot (and who knows, they still might...) but despite the fact I thought they would improve a bit, I still saw this team as being most likely to finish bottom 10 overall and last in their division. Even though anything CAN happen, the fact is that most of the teams around us in the standings also got better in the off-season and the teams that looked like they might regress on paper were already starting off well ahead of us.
All that to say that the results we've achieved this year aren't really all that surprising. The goaltending has been what I thought it would be. The Suzuki line has under-performed overall, but Caufield is scoring at a nice clip and Suzuki usually start off slowly before getting going. Dach is coming off injury. Laine is hurt. The bottom half of the line-up up front is older vets whose contracts aren't tradeable. Admittedly, the D has been in shambles, but a lot of that has to do with how young they are, and we have to remember that we lost the efficient keep-it-simple duo of Harris and Kovacevic and basically replaced them with Barron, Hutson, and Mailloux. So while that provides a greater offensive ceiling, it also means there are going to be growing pains and defensive gaffes. Ultimately, I'm not sure another coach would be doing any better, and I don't even think this is because the GM has done a bad job, I think this is just the natural history of how a re-build unfolds. Until your young guys have had 3-5 years to hit prime, there are going to be some tough years and like it or not, the Habs are working 4 rookies into the line-up right now (Heineman, Kapanen, Hutson, Mailloux) in combination with a host of other players who have played 100 games or less (or barely played 100). Some of your "vets" include Guhle and Slafkovsky. So who could be doing more? I'll give Dach a pass based on his injury for the time being, so the vets who could step up a bit more include Dvorak, Armia, Newhook, and Savard. Suzuki and Caufield could also be playing more complete games, but that is what it is. So frankly, I don't know what the expectations were for that quartet I listed and who thought those 4 guys were going to be able to lift us 15-20 points in the standings to make the post-season. Our 2nd line still sucks this year, and without that working, there's a trickle-down effect of asking the bottom 6 to do too much. Our D is all over the place, and we're asking Matheson and Hutson to play 25 minutes a night some nights. The coach doesn't seem to trust either of Xhekaj or Savard this year... so yeah, no miraculous start this season but mostly in line with where I expected us to be. Doubt this moves the needle on where HuGo sees MSL.
I was (and still am) cautiously optimistic for a bubble/wildcard finish but also expected they likely would be a 10-15 worst team. However, i dont love the way they are losing. Last year we'd work hard & then one of our tenders would let in a bad goal but we'd still keep working. This year - and admittedly its very early - its like one bad goal & the team folds. Lets hope this will be rectified soon. The problem with the rebuild is that it often leads to this. 3 years of a rebuild and then a few years where a team plays worse than they are on paper. Barfalo has been in that state for years. Ottawa too. Can we turn this year into a turn around season (even if we dont make the playoffs?) I hope so. I think we have the skills to be competitive, even if we're not winning a lot of games. That is lacking right now. |
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Post by jenniferrocket on Oct 24, 2024 20:58:11 GMT
👆 Ok i only saw the hit on replay , and I don’t believe there was any mention of someone going after him . Exactly . Someone needs to step up for their team mate if it means going after trouba throughout the remainder of the game Yeah. Matheson did a good job. Went right after him. Trouba was game. Short tussle. |
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Post by jenniferrocket on Oct 24, 2024 21:01:09 GMT
I guess it depends on your expectations. I know some here thought they would challenge for a playoff spot (and who knows, they still might...) but despite the fact I thought they would improve a bit, I still saw this team as being most likely to finish bottom 10 overall and last in their division. Even though anything CAN happen, the fact is that most of the teams around us in the standings also got better in the off-season and the teams that looked like they might regress on paper were already starting off well ahead of us.
All that to say that the results we've achieved this year aren't really all that surprising. The goaltending has been what I thought it would be. The Suzuki line has under-performed overall, but Caufield is scoring at a nice clip and Suzuki usually start off slowly before getting going. Dach is coming off injury. Laine is hurt. The bottom half of the line-up up front is older vets whose contracts aren't tradeable. Admittedly, the D has been in shambles, but a lot of that has to do with how young they are, and we have to remember that we lost the efficient keep-it-simple duo of Harris and Kovacevic and basically replaced them with Barron, Hutson, and Mailloux. So while that provides a greater offensive ceiling, it also means there are going to be growing pains and defensive gaffes. Ultimately, I'm not sure another coach would be doing any better, and I don't even think this is because the GM has done a bad job, I think this is just the natural history of how a re-build unfolds. Until your young guys have had 3-5 years to hit prime, there are going to be some tough years and like it or not, the Habs are working 4 rookies into the line-up right now (Heineman, Kapanen, Hutson, Mailloux) in combination with a host of other players who have played 100 games or less (or barely played 100). Some of your "vets" include Guhle and Slafkovsky. So who could be doing more? I'll give Dach a pass based on his injury for the time being, so the vets who could step up a bit more include Dvorak, Armia, Newhook, and Savard. Suzuki and Caufield could also be playing more complete games, but that is what it is. So frankly, I don't know what the expectations were for that quartet I listed and who thought those 4 guys were going to be able to lift us 15-20 points in the standings to make the post-season. Our 2nd line still sucks this year, and without that working, there's a trickle-down effect of asking the bottom 6 to do too much. Our D is all over the place, and we're asking Matheson and Hutson to play 25 minutes a night some nights. The coach doesn't seem to trust either of Xhekaj or Savard this year... so yeah, no miraculous start this season but mostly in line with where I expected us to be. Doubt this moves the needle on where HuGo sees MSL.
I was (and still am) cautiously optimistic for a bubble/wildcard finish but also expected they likely would be a 10-15 worst team. However, i dont love the way they are losing. Last year we'd work hard & then one of our tenders would let in a bad goal but we'd still keep working. This year - and admittedly its very early - its like one bad goal & the team folds. Lets hope this will be rectified soon. The problem with the rebuild is that it often leads to this. 3 years of a rebuild and then a few years where a team plays worse than they are on paper. Barfalo has been in that state for years. Ottawa too. Can we turn this year into a turn around season (even if we dont make the playoffs?) I hope so. I think we have the skills to be competitive, even if we're not winning a lot of games. That is lacking right now. Yeah. I wanna see the compete back. In the games (and parts of games) I have watched so far, the team just seems a little slow. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of jump from the lineup. |
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Post by maasart on Oct 24, 2024 21:22:31 GMT
I was (and still am) cautiously optimistic for a bubble/wildcard finish but also expected they likely would be a 10-15 worst team. However, i dont love the way they are losing. Last year we'd work hard & then one of our tenders would let in a bad goal but we'd still keep working. This year - and admittedly its very early - its like one bad goal & the team folds. Lets hope this will be rectified soon. The problem with the rebuild is that it often leads to this. 3 years of a rebuild and then a few years where a team plays worse than they are on paper. Barfalo has been in that state for years. Ottawa too. Can we turn this year into a turn around season (even if we dont make the playoffs?) I hope so. I think we have the skills to be competitive, even if we're not winning a lot of games. That is lacking right now. Yeah. I wanna see the compete back. In the games (and parts of games) I have watched so far, the team just seems a little slow. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of jump from the lineup. we need a 20/60 split of coaching. MT for the first 20 games to scare the crap out of everyone & get them competing early. MSL to settle in & make them happy about life and playing again for the last 62 games  |
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Post by RCAF48 on Oct 24, 2024 21:41:23 GMT
I agree that the way we are losing bothers me more than the losing. When we embarked on a full blown rebuild I accepted that we probably wouldn't win a Cup again in my lifetime but I was hoping for a play-off team in four or five years. That now looks doubtful given our adherence to a Dsystem that does not suit the present skill set of our players but rather is designed for the skill level we hope they may achieve.
I would like Hughes to support MSL by hiring an associate coach with actual experience in the trenches and not more teaching assistants from development programs. Cue the heavy sarcasm here.............maybe even go outside the New England cabal in the search for a "hockey" guy.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Oct 25, 2024 11:50:10 GMT
Yeah. I wanna see the compete back. In the games (and parts of games) I have watched so far, the team just seems a little slow. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of jump from the lineup. we need a 20/60 split of coaching. MT for the first 20 games to scare the crap out of everyone & get them competing early. MSL to settle in & make them happy about life and playing again for the last 62 games Oh goodness. MT. The idea of bringing back another re-tread as coach is frightening. |
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Post by regis on Oct 25, 2024 14:40:26 GMT
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Post by maasart on Oct 25, 2024 18:48:32 GMT
we need a 20/60 split of coaching. MT for the first 20 games to scare the crap out of everyone & get them competing early. MSL to settle in & make them happy about life and playing again for the last 62 games Oh goodness. MT. The idea of bringing back another re-tread as coach is frightening. Obviously i wouldnt want MT back but could you imagine? they would be so shell-shocked after 20 games they'd do anything MSL wanted  |
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Post by maasart on Oct 25, 2024 18:53:45 GMT
"GM Kent Hughes has been checking prices on acquiring a top-four, right-shooting defenseman around the league. The cost? It’s high, meaning nothing is imminent now." Interesting that it sound like he (Hughes) is more interested in getting a quality piece vs. just a warm body at RHD. The cost at a #3-4 RHD would have to be high, one would assume, but Savard, Mailloux and Barron wont cut it if we truly want to be competitive. The article mentions Matheson is playing through back spasms so i highly doubt we'd consider moving him - even though LHD is a position of strength - because teams will be concerned about his back. I just cant see how you can get a quality RHD unless you trade a guy we dont want to move. I suppose Calgary/Florida's 1st may be in play. Evans + may have some value. Curious to see how Hughes figures this out. Trading way Vets for picks/prospects is easy (although his track record has been fantastic), this is where the trades will start getting hard. |
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Post by HTL on Oct 25, 2024 18:57:38 GMT
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 25, 2024 19:52:33 GMT
Yeah probably a bit early to sack MSL! He is learning the ropes too and has a weak team in front of him lots of rookies and close to rookies as well! on top of that who do you replace him with that is good enough and would work out? In my mind if you are going to replace him you will need a top tier NHL veteran coach who is ready to build a winner and no retreads!
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Post by regis on Oct 25, 2024 20:41:20 GMT
Maybe MSL isn’t the right guy for the job. But I can’t see management giving up on him or MSL resigning After 8 games into a season where your big Off season acquisition gets injured and then a bunch of other key guys get injured also . It’s no way to evaluate what MSL could do with the lineup he currently has which is …..injured again 😂.
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Post by regis on Oct 25, 2024 22:23:37 GMT
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 25, 2024 23:38:37 GMT
Yeah trade him so he can come back here and beat up our guy's good plan! LOL!
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Post by regis on Oct 25, 2024 23:50:58 GMT
Yeah trade him so he can come back here and beat up our guy's good plan! LOL! I like him But he’s what , a third pairing D man . if MSL doesn’t like him , then let’s trade him and get help elsewhere . |
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Post by graeme on Oct 26, 2024 5:14:11 GMT
Yeah trade him so he can come back here and beat up our guy's good plan! LOL! I like him But he’s what , a third pairing D man . if MSL doesn’t like him , then let’s trade him and get help elsewhere . We do need a third-pairing. A 3rd pairing dman who can also act as the enforcer and throw around the body in a long playoff run would be very valuable (at right price).
The question is if he can actually be a solid bottom-pairing dman (he's not there yet).
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Post by regis on Oct 26, 2024 9:56:47 GMT
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I like him for the physicality he brings but if his coach MSL isn’t fond of him then move him we’ve had healthy scratch D men before and moved them snd not missed them .
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We can get 3rd pairing D men around the league or if we’re so deep in prospects on LHD then develop one
We’re not making the Playoffs this year , I’d say we’re going to get another top 5 pick as we set our selves last in the division and it’s going to be difficult to get out of last place .
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