RCAF48
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Post by RCAF48 on Oct 23, 2024 2:19:29 GMT
What worries me is that the players' body language is becoming reminiscent of the end of DD's tenure. I think we may have a truck load of development coaches but a dearth of NHL coaches.
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regis
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Post by regis on Oct 23, 2024 2:34:00 GMT
What worries me is that the players' body language is becoming reminiscent of the end of DD's tenure. I think we may have a truck load of development coaches but a dearth of NHL coaches. It’s early in the season , Management won’t replace MSL . MSL appears to talk a very good game but it doesn’t look like it translates into actual coaching . the team is putting itself in a hole that they will not get out of. management wanted the team to play meaningful games , give it a month and were going to see a repeat of the last two years |
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Post by regis on Oct 23, 2024 6:43:51 GMT
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Post by jenniferrocket on Oct 23, 2024 11:25:35 GMT
Apparently the draft prize this year is James Hagens!  |
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Post by maasart on Oct 23, 2024 15:18:21 GMT
What worries me is that the players' body language is becoming reminiscent of the end of DD's tenure. I think we may have a truck load of development coaches but a dearth of NHL coaches. It’s early in the season , Management won’t replace MSL . MSL appears to talk a very good game but it doesn’t look like it translates into actual coaching . the team is putting itself in a hole that they will not get out of. management wanted the team to play meaningful games , give it a month and were going to see a repeat of the last two years well and the problem is: if you're bad enough to get a top 3 or even top 5 pick thats maybe worth one more year of failures but i suspect we're going to end up with 8th-12th overall. Thats still a great player potentially but one who likely isnt ready for 3 years... i think we all hope we're competitive before then. I think this team has enough skill, enough depth, to be a bubble team but right now they are playing worse than they were last year (and they are definitely better than they were). I agree that MSL is safe at least for a year but wonder if they will consider bringing in an experienced coach to be either an assistant or, an "associate" like Muller was during his time here. I think something needs to change - and soon. its early, yes, but you start off the season with 2 wins in 7 games... that can quickly become 5 wins in 20 or something & you arent coming back from that, even with a healthy Laine and Slaf and Guhle etc in the lineup. |
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 23, 2024 17:03:42 GMT
We went into last night bringing a knife to a gun fight so to speak! No Slaf No Guhle No Arber but we did have Barron who is looking more and more like this game is too fast for him! and it was just too much against a team that is ready to contend and on a hot streak! Add to this useless even biased refs a truly poor effort from our goalies and what I have to call out as shoddy coaching and this is what we get. MSL has done well up to this season but I get the vibe that he is in over his head a bit this year! he needs to give the PP to someone else and figure out whatever Dzone coverage they are going to go with and make it work! One more thing he is going to have to admit that you need big players on D Arber should be playing so he can get his game up to snuff Barron needs to get gone asap so he does not waste anymore of our time and as much as I like Hutson we are going to kill him over an entire season of this many minutes a game! And for the love of god play offensive minded players with other Offensive minded players and stop putting Armia in the top 9 so often! I really think we are better than this but it won't matter soon.
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Post by BigTed3 on Oct 23, 2024 18:05:50 GMT
One thing to add to all of this: I think it's becoming more and more clear that we miss the stabilizing type of D man like Harris and Kovacevic (or Petry and Kulak before them). None of those players was particularly flashy, but they managed to dominate possession while they were on and control the tempo of the game. They could move the puck out of their own zone efficiently. Right now, we're seeing a lot of chaos in our own zone and utter inability to move the puck safely and in our possession. Some of that may come with time as the D men mature, but for now, it's a bit of a gong show back there.
If Guhle's still out next game, I'd go
Matheson-Mailloux
Hutson-Xhekaj
Struble-Savard
If Guhle's back, I'd go
Matheson-Savard
Hutson-Guhle
Struble-Xhekaj
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 23, 2024 18:36:25 GMT
I like those pairings quite a bit, I would also add that whatever system or structure we seem to be looking for is just not working out! it may be best to work on a more basic D system to make sure everyone can develop and not get shellshocked! I feel like the offence will come if we can ever get out of our own end!
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Post by maasart on Oct 23, 2024 19:52:01 GMT
One thing to add to all of this: I think it's becoming more and more clear that we miss the stabilizing type of D man like Harris and Kovacevic (or Petry and Kulak before them). None of those players was particularly flashy, but they managed to dominate possession while they were on and control the tempo of the game. They could move the puck out of their own zone efficiently. Right now, we're seeing a lot of chaos in our own zone and utter inability to move the puck safely and in our possession. Some of that may come with time as the D men mature, but for now, it's a bit of a gong show back there. If Guhle's still out next game, I'd go Matheson-Mailloux Hutson-Xhekaj Struble-Savard If Guhle's back, I'd go Matheson-Savard Hutson-Guhle Struble-Xhekaj Agree. I dont mind losing Harris (you couldnt say no to that return) but Kovacevic was a head scratcher for me - i assume they felt with Savard and Barron both being waiver eligible it would make sense to move him but we have seen just how weak we are at RHD. At left you have Matheson, Guhle, Hutson, Struble, Xhekaj and even guys like Engstrom or Trudeau may be able to step up as a #6-7 dman in a pinch. But on the right? Savard (who's ideally a #4-6) Barron (who's ideally a #4-6 and now hurt) and Mailloux (who i think may be a #3 but is nowhere near ready for top 4 duty right now) and then a bunch of guys on their off-side. This is fine if you're playing a vet there but a guy like Guhle has like 120 NHL games & probably closing in on half of them on the wrong side. This is not ideal for a player who is still developing. Obviously they didnt expect Reinbacher's injury but even still we were paper-thin at that position. I think Hughes should consider trying to land us another Kovacevic type player. We might bring up Lindstrom but he's a #6 guy at best. At least he's a RHD i guess. |
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 23, 2024 20:19:40 GMT
I was thinking we should shoot a little higher and get a higher quality defensive style D man who is younger and can really skate! Not sure who you move but with what Hutson has shown us I think if we could get him a rock solid young veteran partner we could spread our other guys out a bit better. Kovacevic was ok even good at times but he is not really going to move us forward?
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Post by regis on Oct 23, 2024 20:36:06 GMT
Chris nilan on IG , the Trouba hit was clean
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Post by BigTed3 on Oct 23, 2024 21:03:23 GMT
I was thinking we should shoot a little higher and get a higher quality defensive style D man who is younger and can really skate! Not sure who you move but with what Hutson has shown us I think if we could get him a rock solid young veteran partner we could spread our other guys out a bit better. Kovacevic was ok even good at times but he is not really going to move us forward? Kovacevic isn't going to be a game-changer in terms of winning you a Cup, no. But he helps to stabilize the right side of the D and take burden off of the younger guys. If you, as a young LHD, know you can just find your partner with a short pass and that they're going to reliably be in position and then get the puck out of your zone, it makes life a lot easier. Less panic. Less attempts of riskier plays. Much harder when your partner is also a young guy who panics (like Barron or Mailloux).
Ultimately, the organizational depth at RHD is weak. Would still like to add a player like Simon Nemec or David Jiricek, who can provide some offence but also a bit of physicality. With Reinbacher suffering setbacks, even if we draft a RHD next year, it'll take a few years before that player is useful to us. So it feels more and more like we may need to look at trading for a RHD down the line.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 23, 2024 21:49:29 GMT
I was thinking we should shoot a little higher and get a higher quality defensive style D man who is younger and can really skate! Not sure who you move but with what Hutson has shown us I think if we could get him a rock solid young veteran partner we could spread our other guys out a bit better. Kovacevic was ok even good at times but he is not really going to move us forward? Kovacevic isn't going to be a game-changer in terms of winning you a Cup, no. But he helps to stabilize the right side of the D and take burden off of the younger guys. If you, as a young LHD, know you can just find your partner with a short pass and that they're going to reliably be in position and then get the puck out of your zone, it makes life a lot easier. Less panic. Less attempts of riskier plays. Much harder when your partner is also a young guy who panics (like Barron or Mailloux).
Ultimately, the organizational depth at RHD is weak. Would still like to add a player like Simon Nemec or David Jiricek, who can provide some offence but also a bit of physicality. With Reinbacher suffering setbacks, even if we draft a RHD next year, it'll take a few years before that player is useful to us. So it feels more and more like we may need to look at trading for a RHD down the line.
We are looking at this the same way, only thing I am saying is I am not interested in us picking up another Kovacevic type player who is really a third pairing guy I would want us to make a trade that gets us a good second pairing player who will be around for the long haul we will have to give up someone to do it but that's what I feel we need to do. |
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Post by maasart on Oct 23, 2024 23:21:29 GMT
Kovacevic isn't going to be a game-changer in terms of winning you a Cup, no. But he helps to stabilize the right side of the D and take burden off of the younger guys. If you, as a young LHD, know you can just find your partner with a short pass and that they're going to reliably be in position and then get the puck out of your zone, it makes life a lot easier. Less panic. Less attempts of riskier plays. Much harder when your partner is also a young guy who panics (like Barron or Mailloux).
Ultimately, the organizational depth at RHD is weak. Would still like to add a player like Simon Nemec or David Jiricek, who can provide some offence but also a bit of physicality. With Reinbacher suffering setbacks, even if we draft a RHD next year, it'll take a few years before that player is useful to us. So it feels more and more like we may need to look at trading for a RHD down the line.
We are looking at this the same way, only thing I am saying is I am not interested in us picking up another Kovacevic type player who is really a third pairing guy I would want us to make a trade that gets us a good second pairing player who will be around for the long haul we will have to give up someone to do it but that's what I feel we need to do. I guess the question is: what do we have to give up to get that player? Most of our depth players and prospects are of no value to other teams. I think you have 2 options: 1) you move a guy like Matheson for a young RHD, understanding that we have depth at LHD although losing him will hurt in the short term. 2) you *might* be able to get that player with a package of Evans, Engstrom & a mid round pick. 3) you give up Calgary/Florida's first next year. Im not sure Hughes makes any of those moves & might prefer to get a stop-gap solution at RHD. |
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Post by claremont on Oct 23, 2024 23:48:30 GMT
I was thinking we should shoot a little higher and get a higher quality defensive style D man who is younger and can really skate! Not sure who you move but with what Hutson has shown us I think if we could get him a rock solid young veteran partner we could spread our other guys out a bit better. Kovacevic was ok even good at times but he is not really going to move us forward? Kovacevic isn't going to be a game-changer in terms of winning you a Cup, no. But he helps to stabilize the right side of the D and take burden off of the younger guys. If you, as a young LHD, know you can just find your partner with a short pass and that they're going to reliably be in position and then get the puck out of your zone, it makes life a lot easier. Less panic. Less attempts of riskier plays. Much harder when your partner is also a young guy who panics (like Barron or Mailloux).
Ultimately, the organizational depth at RHD is weak. Would still like to add a player like Simon Nemec or David Jiricek, who can provide some offence but also a bit of physicality. With Reinbacher suffering setbacks, even if we draft a RHD next year, it'll take a few years before that player is useful to us. So it feels more and more like we may need to look at trading for a RHD down the line.
That's not an easy trade acquisition but I do agree with you on the try - most certainly HuGo are likely to be in an overpay situation, unless they can throw enough rubles at Konyushkov's team to break contract. Very unlikely that a growth team like New Jersey or Columbus are going to give up a Nemec or Jiricek and likely the RHD prospect depth tree is fairly bare. Not sure even if they had one, that a San Jose, Anaheim, or Chicago teams in similar rebuild will want to give up a promising RHD for picks plus a roster player or a similar prospect at another position. As I have mentioned before we have a # of assets to trade - two first round picks, 2 second round picks, 3 third round picks which in themselves unless you are trading your top pick are unlikely to obtain an RHD stud. Then we have some prospects Mesar (who may not fit our roster), Beck who is probably not on the block, and certainly not Demidov or Hage, or Fowler. Toss in an RHP, Xhekaj, Heineman, or Roy? Dvorak, Armia Savard, Jake Evans all expendable as part of a package. I take it that you would have to target a team who is competing that has an RHD Prospect or steadying RHD mature player that could fit (please no Karl Alzner aging desperado on the RHD side - UFA Ekblad, Burns , Ceci - no thank you) So it's a nice theory and never say never but practically, I come down to an overpay which if it vaults us to a higher spot, I am not that adverse to; 1) Could you get Brandt Clarke - LA Kings? 2) Evan Bouchard - EDM? 3) Noah Dobson - Islanders? 4) Adam Boqqvist - Florida Prospects - Washington has Ryan Chesley - not good enough or proven. Detroit - Sandin-Pellika but that's a riskier move. Vancouver - Tom Willander? Philly is in a rebuild but Oliver Bonk may be a gamble but would accelerate the curve. Ottawa isn't giving up Yakemchuk easily, nor is Calgary on Parekh. Blues have Adam Jiricek so he comes with risk. It's a very tough call when we have a pretty glaring need for depth. It's tough to be patient, so maybe Savard does get re-signed for another year. |
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Post by HTL on Oct 24, 2024 0:06:25 GMT
Media now questioning if the honeymoon period with MSL is now over? IMO it is. There has to be improvement, as i said before the season started. If we're not in the middle of the pact this year or better, than heads need to roll.
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Post by regis on Oct 24, 2024 0:10:30 GMT
Here’s a take
There will be no trades FOR a D man
The team traded Kovasevic AND Harris which would lead me to believe management feels they have adequate personnel currently on the team or in the pipeline .
And if they did want to trade for a solid RHD man , I don’t think a team that has one or an excess one, will trade for what we have to offer .. our third and fourth line slugs aren’t exactly enticing enough to acquire a solid 2 nd pairing D man.
And we probably aren’t trading matheson either , that would just weaken the Left side
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Post by ramcharger440 on Oct 24, 2024 2:27:42 GMT
So, Lots of dancing around about the hit on Barron.....clean hit dirty hit whatever! Trouba is a dirty player known for giving headshots! My question is does he need to do this in this game when they are in control like they were? answer no he wanted to because that is the piece of dirt that he is. Next question does he do it if Arber is on the ice? I wonder? MSL needs to smarten up and understand that he needs a blend of players out there fancy skill type players are nice but somebody has to be some kind of deterrent or we won't have any players left! it is not like we can count on the league to protect our players!
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Post by regis on Oct 24, 2024 16:26:23 GMT
I don’t think having Wifi in the lineup would have made Trouba think twice about delivering the hit . It maybe would have made Trouba accountable , but then the NYR , would dress Rempe , and it would turn into a sh🖕tshow. It would be nice if someone beside Wifi stands up for their teammate ( Anderson, Savard, Struble , Armia etc are all big boys )
Then again I don’t think MSL is fond of Wifi . If the translation on IG was correct , MSL wasn’t thrilled when Wifi got kicked out of the preseason game against the leafs. Apparently he put the team short on D ‘cause Reinbscher was injured then Wifi got ejected . 🤦♂️ Marty it was exhibition , Laine was injured , who cares if your short a D man . A message needs to be sent . Put some scrub on D
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Post by jenniferrocket on Oct 24, 2024 16:58:22 GMT
Media now questioning if the honeymoon period with MSL is now over? IMO it is. There has to be improvement, as i said before the season started. If we're not in the middle of the pact this year or better, than heads need to roll. 100% it is over. With that said, I don't think he should be fired this season (unless the results are crazy, crazy bad). However, next season, if he cannot get the team moving in the right direction we need to replace MSL and the rest of the coaching staff. It's time for this team to take a step forward. I don't want to become Buffalo. |
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