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Post by maasart on Aug 14, 2023 19:50:49 GMT
Here's the thread for you to suggest moves YOU would make if you were in charge.
No actual rumours but things you would do if you were Kent Hughes...
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Post by maasart on Aug 14, 2023 19:55:14 GMT
Hughes and Gorton have shown they like to circle back to players they have had interest in before. Matheson, Newhook and others were guys that had ties to HuGo.
Several times during the draft last year, it was reported that Hughes was really interested in Noah Ostlund. One source close to the team said they had him going in the top 5. Are they still interested in him?
Buffalo has two elite LHD but their RHD is pretty weak. They are also super young. Would they consider trading for Petry? With Thompson, Cozens and Savoie they already have good, young centre depth. is there a potential deal there revolving around Petry for Ostlund as the primaries?
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Post by egee53 on Aug 15, 2023 0:01:44 GMT
I think that would be an excellent trade for the Habs, albeit he is a bit on the small side at 5'10" and 163 lb., and we do have enough five ten guys already. However, I certainly would have traded Hoffmann and Pitlick for him in a second. I'd even throw in one of out 7th rd picks in 2024 with Petry.
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Post by electron58 on Aug 15, 2023 4:11:32 GMT
Hughes and Gorton have shown they like to circle back to players they have had interest in before. Matheson, Newhook and others were guys that had ties to HuGo. Several times during the draft last year, it was reported that Hughes was really interested in Noah Ostlund. One source close to the team said they had him going in the top 5. Are they still interested in him? Buffalo has two elite LHD but their RHD is pretty weak. They are also super young. Would they consider trading for Petry? With Thompson, Cozens and Savoie they already have good, young centre depth. is there a potential deal there revolving around Petry for Ostlund as the primaries? That would be a sweet haul - Noah Östlund Date of Birth: Mar 11, 2004, Position: C, Height: 5'11", Weight: 163 lbs, Shoots: L. You would have to think, that at some point Buffalo will make the decision to TRY to make the playoffs. @ 50% retained, Petry definitely helps them out there. He should be a 2nd pairing D, but on that team, he could slide into the top 2. & with 50% retained? Petry would be the cheapest contract @ RD. Plus Buffalo isn't that far from Michigan. Only questions would be if Buffalo is on Petry's No Trade List, and are they really in win now mode. I guess time will tell.
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Post by archey on Nov 1, 2023 15:39:40 GMT
I'd try to get a deal for Slavkovsky. Get a Canadian who'd fit in better. I mean two Finns and....That's it! To my mind. And CC.
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Post by maasart on Nov 2, 2023 17:36:37 GMT
I'd try to get a deal for Slavkovsky. Get a Canadian who'd fit in better. I mean two Finns and....That's it! To my mind. And CC. im not at all concerned about where someone is from. Imho Slaf has looked better lately & i dont think he's done anything so far that makes me worry he wont be a good player, i just think he needs time to develop & Im not positive that is in montreal. If it is - i think he needs to be on the top line or with someone like Monahan. RHP + Newhook is not helping him at all. I would consider a trade involving slaf if it meant a potentially elite centre coming back. other than that, i likely have no interest in moving him because i cant see how his value in a trade is anywhere near what his potential ceiling is.
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Post by archey on Nov 2, 2023 19:06:52 GMT
I'd try to get a deal for Slavkovsky. Get a Canadian who'd fit in better. I mean two Finns and....That's it! To my mind. And CC. im not at all concerned about where someone is from. Imho Slaf has looked better lately & i dont think he's done anything so far that makes me worry he wont be a good player, i just think he needs time to develop & Im not positive that is in montreal. If it is - i think he needs to be on the top line or with someone like Monahan. RHP + Newhook is not helping him at all. I would consider a trade involving slaf if it meant a potentially elite centre coming back. other than that, i likely have no interest in moving him because i cant see how his value in a trade is anywhere near what his potential ceiling is. I mean Armia gets called back when he should be out and CC is the lone guy who has sooooooo got the MLS in our deal for him so it's got to be hard to be precise for Slaf. Someone should talk to him anyway. Or put him out for trick or treat. LOL
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Post by ramcharger440 on Nov 2, 2023 22:45:00 GMT
im not at all concerned about where someone is from. Imho Slaf has looked better lately & i dont think he's done anything so far that makes me worry he wont be a good player, i just think he needs time to develop & Im not positive that is in montreal. If it is - i think he needs to be on the top line or with someone like Monahan. RHP + Newhook is not helping him at all. I would consider a trade involving slaf if it meant a potentially elite centre coming back. other than that, i likely have no interest in moving him because i cant see how his value in a trade is anywhere near what his potential ceiling is. I mean Armia gets called back when he should be out and CC is the lone guy who has sooooooo got the MLS in our deal for him so it's got to be hard to be precise for Slaf. Someone should talk to him anyway. Or put him out for trick or treat. LOL ?
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Post by archey on Nov 2, 2023 23:34:26 GMT
I mean Armia gets called back when he should be out and CC is the lone guy who has sooooooo got the MLS in our deal for him so it's got to be hard to be precise for Slaf. Someone should talk to him anyway. Or put him out for trick or treat. LOL ? So CC the American goes from being ok to being reallllllllly good under the auspices of MLS--solely--the one and only as far as I can see. So Armia the 1/2 of the Finns---He should be out but gets to be special Slavkovsky pretty much the only other non Canadian....He gets nothing but the tail end of everything..So It's tough on him tough on us to my mind. We never should have let it go so far into having just a Canadians team as it were.. To my mind.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Nov 8, 2023 13:20:57 GMT
Did we miss the boat on Josh Anderson? I feel like we should've traded him last season. 1 assist through 12 games. Ugly.
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Post by habsology on Nov 8, 2023 14:15:18 GMT
Did we miss the boat on Josh Anderson? I feel like we should've traded him last season. 1 assist through 12 games. Ugly. I'm not sure if we missed the boat entirely. But I can see that it is beginning to reverse out of the dock.
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Post by habsology on Nov 8, 2023 14:33:41 GMT
If I were GM, I'd trade Anderson + Allen + Savard + 2026 1st to BUF for Peyton Krebs + Erik Johnson.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 8, 2023 14:37:14 GMT
Did we miss the boat on Josh Anderson? I feel like we should've traded him last season. 1 assist through 12 games. Ugly. He's actually played pretty well the past few games compared to some of the others. Decent number of scoring chances, just isn't finishing them. I think the goals will come. But yes, we should be moving on from him, Matheson, Dvorak, Allen, Evans, and Savard at some point in the next year to avoid being stuck with them the way we are Gallagher, Armia, etc. It's not that these are bad players, it's that they don't fit the window our team has or the make-up of our lineup.
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Post by BigTed3 on Dec 10, 2023 15:17:03 GMT
Going to take a different approach to some thoughts here. As a GM, you want to maximize your players' values and trade them when their perceived value is higher than what it will be to you in the future. A guy like Gallagher is one we missed the boat on, for example. We might have missed on Anderson and Allen too. We're going to miss on Matheson, Savard, and Dvorak if we hold on too long as well. But GMs notoriously hold on too long, so let me think about this from the Habs' perspective only and try to figure out when it would make most sense for us to trade away certain players if we assume for a second that their market value were to remain stable going forward (ie if you were guaranteed to get exactly the same return now or at any point in the future no matter how the player plays, good or bad).
- Allen: this one's easy. You would want to trade him right now and just go forward with the two goalies who offer more to you in the future. So the fact he isn't gone suggests there isn't a ton of market value for him. That said, there are a number of contenders whose goalie situations are poor, so someone might eventually get nervous and bite.
- Matheson: you have too much LHD depth to fit everyone in right now, but there's also no immediate pressure to trade him right away. Xhekaj can play in the minors for a bit without needing waivers. Harris is out and given the Habs announced he would be getting further evaluation and then have said nothing, it makes you wonder if this is something longterm. We're hurting Norlinder by not playing him. But ultimately, there's not a long line of guys getting screwed over right now, and with Savard and Wideman out, Matheson has been the only true vet on the D corps. So if you're KH, the optimal time to trade him is probably this coming off-season or next year in season. It allows you to give one more year of experience to your younger guys first without heaping 1st-pairing minutes and match-ups on them, and it allows you to figure out what's happening with the likes of Hutson and Engstrom first. If Hutson signs and looks ready, then it becomes more urgent to move Matheson. But right now, if you're Hughes, you're probably happy sitting tight on this for another 6-12 months.
- Savard: he's hurt but expected back soon. Does he add some veteran stability to the right side and some size and toughness? Yes. But we've also done no worse without him really, and like Edmundson and Chiarot before him, Savard is a guy who isn't part of the future plan here and who you want to move on from before he falls off a cliff and before he runs into more serious injury problems. He's a guy who other teams will pay for to go on a playoff run, so if you're Hughes, you want to maximize value by trading him in-season close to a trade deadline, when teams know if they're playoff bound and are willing to add a guy like Savard. He has less value in the off-season. So this trade deadline or the one after, depending on whether you get your price this year or not.
- Dvorak and Monahan: with Dach out and Newhook failing as a center then getting injured too, the Habs' depth at center is thin. These two guys are probably tied together to some degree. If you trade both, you're kind of stuck down the middle unless another center is coming back. Monahan is a guy who has fit in well here, and I think most GMs would be tempted to just re-sign him, but if he stays healthy, he'll likely command a bit more than we're currently paying, and his trade value won't really get any better as he gets older and earns more money. So the smart money is to still trade him this year. As with Savard, you probably maximize your return at the deadline and unless an offer blows you away beforehand, it helps Hughes to retain him as long as he can. It helps him ice a line-up without rushing younger guys and the longer you wait, the less cap hit the receiving team needs to take on too. It just requires him to stay healthy. So I think the deadline this year is the right time to move him if you're KH. Now assuming you do that, you're somewhat stuck with Dvorak then. Yes, you'd probably want to move on from Dvorak at some point, but he's played reasonably well since returning this year and there's no rush to deal him given his contract. Next year, you expect to have Suzuki-Dach as your 1-2 centers and then past that, a lot will depend on what else happens in the off-season, whether we trade for or sign another center, whether Beck is ready, etc. So as much as Dvorak doesn't fit the window, I think circumstances with Dach's injury and Monahan's expiring contract, along with the lack of organizational depth at center, dictate that Dvorak stays through this year and maybe one more after that.
- Pearson: as soon as you can. No value to your organization going forward and you shouldn't be re-signing him. So whenever he's healthy, you want to move on.
- Gallagher: if contracts weren't guaranteed in the NHL, you'd probably be moving on as soon as you can too.
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Post by claremont on Dec 11, 2023 16:29:34 GMT
Going to provide an update on buyers, sellers, cap space and needs analysis as I see it, in respect of our most likely trade chips - Monahan, Savard, Allen and possibly Dvorak / Armia. Matheson and Anderson IMO have too much term and are unlikely to be traded. Any other candidates - Tanner Pearson, Harris, unlikely to fetch much. This is part 1 - focus on Eastern conference. Sellers - Columbus, Nashville, Arizona, Minnesota, Chicago, Calgary, Seattle, Anaheim, San Jose - I view these teams as basically out of it, or their GM's just don't think they have the core pieces to make an effective playoff run. I would probably put Ottawa in this category. I expected Ottawa to be faster out of the gate especially after signing Tarasenko and they are jammed up with Shane Pinto coming back for $M cap hit prorated to $2m - 1/2 season, but Ottawa is an unlikely trade partner - team within the division, plus not much prospect I see interest in as they forfeit their 2024, or 2025 or 2026 pick as part of the Dadonov screwup. I will push Buffalo in here as well, unless they go on some miraculous run - they will be hard pressed to capture 4th vs. Detroit and Tampa or a 5th wild card spot. Buffalo has some great prospects, and needs an effective goalie like Allen to help Levi as their goalie of the future, but I will project them as stand pat and not a buyer. Lastly I will push Philadelphia in here despite their strong start. GM Briere is building for the future, and I see them as sellers. Bubble Buyers - Atlantic - Leafs - need a d-man. Could be interested in Savard but cap space and salary retention. I hate even discussing the leafs and their prospect pool - nothing of interest beyond C Fraser Minten as Easton Cowan is a smallish winger - Maybe their 1st round pick up for grabs. Tampa - cap space issues, and few trade chips as no 1st rounder/key prospects. Detroit - Their D seems adequate other than the fall of Petry but Ghost is having a good season. Seider is a staple on the RHD. Chiarot and Holl have enough grit and they have an upcoming LHD in Simon Edvinsson, so not sure there is a need for RHD Savard. I could see the wings having interest in Monahan. I still like C- Nate Danielson in their prospect pool and lesser extent Marco Kasper. Florida - cap space issue, not much in their prospect pool, not sure much need for our pieces. Boston - could see interest in Monahan but other than their 2024 draft picks why would we need another smallish winger in Fabian Lysell as not much in their prospect cupboard.
Bubble Buyers - Metro Rangers - I could see interest in Monahan with Chytil, Kakko as question marks on return from injury. LW Brennan Othmann is a prize prospect vs. draft picks. Capitals - their RHD is strong, so will say that Monahan has some interest. Doubt Washington parts with Miroshnichenko but do we need another small LW in Andrew Cristall from their prospect pool? Islanders - pretty solid at RHD with Dobson, Pulock, Mayfield, and goalies are good, hence some interest in Monahan. GM Lou L., has traded picks before. Not much in their prospect pool as I have lukewarm interest in LW William Dufour. Jersey - RHD Dougie Hamilton out for a while, but Marino and Nemec probably adequate for now. Savard might duplicate a Colin Miller. I could see Jersey having interest in both Savard and Monahan. Not much in their pool of prospects and doubt they give up a Holtz, or Mercer. RHD Seamus Casey is small at 5-9. Goalie Akira Schmid has played reasonably well for them so far, so a trade for Allen seems improbable. Carolina - currently in a tailspin. Brett Burns and Pesce man the RHD side with Deangelo out of favour once again and only Chatfield for RHD support. This could have interest in Savard. Doubt Canes give up on Freddie Anderson with his blood clotting injury so projected return and Allen may be a reach. Possible interest in Monahan. Beyond draft picks very little interest in any of Carolina's prospects. Pittsburgh - very little cap space. Karlsson and Letang are fixtures at RHD but the penguins lack some heaviness of a Savard. Maybe some interest in Monahan. The Penguins lack a 1st round pick. Weak prospect pool beyond LHD Owen Pickering and no need for another LHD.
I have ignored taking on a bad contract in all of this review - Part 2 the western conference to follow another day.
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Post by BigTed3 on Dec 12, 2023 20:49:45 GMT
Jets announce Kyle Connor out around 6-8 weeks (as an estimate, pending doctor's assessment) with lower body injury after taking a knee on knee hit. We know Winnipeg was highly interested in Josh Anderson last year, so could now be a good time to strike? They'll have plenty of cap space in the short term with Connor headed to IR. Not that we need him, but Nate Schmidt seems to have fallen down the depth chart there and has this year and next at 5.95M AAV. More cap hit but shorter time than Anderson's contract. If you take him back and then flip out Matheson, for example, to another team, that whole change of personnel could garner you a decent number of assets...
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Post by claremont on Dec 13, 2023 20:00:01 GMT
Part 2 Western Conference - Going to provide an update on buyers, sellers, cap space and needs analysis as I see it, in respect of our most likely trade chips - Monahan, Savard, Allen and possibly Dvorak / Armia. Matheson and Anderson IMO have too much term and are unlikely to be traded. Any other candidates - Tanner Pearson, Harris, unlikely to fetch much.
Central Division bubble Buyers The Blues just fired Berube. They had committed Big $ to a lot of contracts with results disappointing so far, so I believe they are not sellers. They don't have a lot of cap space and a ton of NTC clauses so a bit of a building problem. Some bad contracts - $3.2M for Kapanen. Vrana $2.625M maybe even LHD Scandella at $3.275M. GM Armstrong has to fix his roster, so I believe he would have interest in Monahan, and possibly Savard to fix the RHD. if we took on a bad contract, the prospect of most interest to me is C - Dvorsky who is lighting it up on the OHL Jets - Kyle Connor out for 6-8 weeks. Just pushed Monahan value up. Have plenty of cap space. Some half decent prospects - Centres Chaz Lucius and and Brad Lambert don't blow me out of the water. LW sniper Colby Barlow injured. Unsigned RW McGroarty has grit that compensates for his talent, - again Middle of road for me. The jets might take a discounted Armia if we retained $. Cannot see Josh Anderson waiving his NTC for Winnipeg as nobody wants to go there. Doubt Jets are interested in Savard as their D is adequate. Same for Goal re; Allen Dallas - not much cap space. Could use scoring punch of Monahan and beef on the RHD side with Savard. Beyond draft picks, not much in their prospect pool. Logan Stankoven and Mavrik Bourque are smallish centres that don't move the needle for me. Avalanche - Could have interest in Jake Allen with Francouz gone for the season. Have a cap issue assuming Lehks comes back. Who knows if Girard comes back from substance abuse. Would think definite interest in Monahan but doubtful on Savard with RHD Makar and Manson in the fold. Beyond their 1st round pick, C Calum Ritchie is interesting as a prospect.
Western Division bubble Buyers Oilers - Talked ad nauseum about them - now making a recovery upturn. Cap issues on salary out before salary in Kings - A solid team - their RHD is strong so not sure about whether they want Savard for depth. Goaltending backup - not sure if Copley is good enough so maybe some interest in Allen. Strong Centre depth - Kopitar, Byfield, Danault, Dubois - I see Monahan added for scoring and put them over the top. Prospects of interest RHD Brandt Clarke, big RW Koehn Ziemmer. Canucks - Not sure that GM Rutherford will add much vs large jump from last year. Cap space an issue and made a big move with Zadorov. Their prospect pool has underachieved. Lekkermaiki, Podkolzin etc. Vegas - Strong centre depth - maybe some interest in Monahan as a winger. RHD pretty strong with Pietrangelo, Whitecloud and Theodore when he returns from injury so only passing interest IMO in Savard. Vegas could have some interest in a backup goalie in Allen. Beyond their draft picks nothing in Vegas prospect pool interests me
Summary - HuGo should have no shortage of suitors if Monahan stays healthy, keep his production level up, as he can be a very cheap asset under the cap radar.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jan 3, 2024 0:16:37 GMT
Here's another way of thinking about what our GM should do... which pieces of ours are expendable?
At forward, we'd ideally want to hold on to Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, and Dach. Those are potentially 4 players to fill your top 6. I would likely hold on to the likes of Ylonen, Heineman, Beck, Roy, and RHP for the bottom 6 (with small chances Ylonen, Roy, or Heineman eventually show they can move into the top 6). It's not to say these players are absolute no-go's in trades, just that they'd be guys I'd build around. Everyone else is IMO expendable, in that they're not part of my longterm plans for the core here. Of the ones who are expendable, the players I'd expect we can trade for a return would include
- Monahan should be able to fetch a 1st rounder or equivalent by the trade deadline - Anderson may have value at some point over his contract, albeit hard to say what - Evans may be tradeable for a small return - Dvorak may be tradeable but moreso next off-season or the 2025 trade deadline and the return would likely be moderate - Pearson, Gallagher, and Armia likely have low to negative value - Newhook likely has value and although I doubt Hughes trades him, he's a guy who is also expendable to me. I don't see him as being a player who is easy to slot into the line-up. - Prospects such as Mesar, Kidney, Mysak, Kapanen, Tuch, Farrell, Andersson, Rohrer, etc are all guys who could turn into players but who are players I'm willing to part with in trades for the right return. Tuch and Kapanen are two guys where I'm less certain of current value and where you might want to hold onto them simply because you won't get good return on value right now though.
On D, I'd hold on to Hutson and Reinbacher as my potential 1st pairing of the future and Struble as a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy. I'm also inclined to hold onto Engstrom and Konyushkov, as I think they're guys with the potential to increase their value considerably over what it currently is. But that means I'm open for business on the rest. Matheson and Savard should both be gone within the next season and a half. Guhle, as I've detailed several times already, is an interesting trade chip for me. Harris, Kovacevic, Lindstrom, Barron, Mailloux, and Xhekaj are all players you could consider keeping to fill out your line-up, but ultimately, we don't need all of them, and I'd be inclined to ask around and find out which ones have the most trade value. If a team is willing to give me a pick in the 10-15 range for Xhekaj the same way the Isles did for Romanov, I take it. If someone is willing to give up a 1st rounder for Barron or Harris, I take it. Maybe the same for Mailloux.
Putting everything together, I think you need to add another top 4 RHD, a prospect or young D man who has a chance at becoming a 1C, and another scoring winger. Maybe you need another LHD depending on who you trade. And the major trade chips we have would include Matheson, Savard, Monahan, Anderson, Newhook, Allen, Montembeault, Mesar, Xhekaj, Harris, Barron, and maybe Guhle. We do have some players here who could command 1st round talent coming back. But I think you need to be prepared to trade anyone I just listed here.
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Post by claremont on Jan 4, 2024 22:42:24 GMT
An interesting aspect is how HuGo potentially use a retention spot for next season 2024-25. We will likely not spend to the cap next year and presumably would not want to give up both retention slots in any deadline trade this year (Jeff Petry has one dead cap hit retention). It would make sense to retain one for the off season or next year's move scenarios. We know that some of the contending teams have cap issues, so my allocation for a 50% retention would be as follows:
1) Armia - has next year remaining at $3.5M. We have an abundance of forwards so Armia is expendable and could be a good power forward for a playoff contender. If we retained 50% and shopped him at $1.75M then for an acquiring team if he doesn't work out for the following season, it's only a $600K cap hit ($1.15M can be buried in the minors). Question is what would we possibly get in return as we overvalue our players. I am thinking this is worth a late 2nd round or 3rd round pick
2) David Savard - Very similar to the Armia argument but Savard is a starter at $3.5M and on most contending teams he would be a 3/4 pairing at best and more likely solid 5/6. He has good value already at $3.5M, so do we really need salary retention, or does it sweeten the deal and we get more bids of a better pick or a better prospect if we take 50% retention? I am not certain Savard on his own gets a 1st round pick (more likely a late 2nd), but with retention - should be worth a first. Again only a $600K mistake for the following year
3) Jake Allen - similar arguments - Jake is at $3.85M
4) Monahan - no salary retention required. He's worth a top pick or prospect at his current $1.985M cap hit
5) Dvorak - injured so ciao on that one. Matheson has 2 more years so it's a longer hit - maybe only 25% is needed for a blockbuster move, but we lose a minute muncher offensive force. Seems to me next year deadline or off season would be a better time frame unless we feel is value is peaking.
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Post by maasart on Jan 12, 2024 18:14:18 GMT
Pierre Luc Dubois has been nothing short of a disaster in LA- but - would you consider trading him if it meant we could move Gallagher?
PLD makes only $2m more per year than Gallagher. His contract is 4 years longer than Gally's though. I suspect we'd have to throw in another piece (maybe harris) but i think LA would listen considering how much PLD has fallen out of favour. This is the only year of his deal that doesnt have a NMC clause so they might be willing to do something asap & leave value on the table because they wont have as many options after this year.
Would you do it?
PLD for Gallagher + Harris
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