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Post by ramcharger440 on Jan 29, 2024 21:27:41 GMT
If you belive David Pagnotta of the 4th period (more reputable than Eklund but probably not as much as Dreger or McKenzie or someone) teams have inquired about Xhekaj and at least one offer has been made. The offer was believed to be for "a young NHL forward and a former first round pick. The first round pick in question has second line potential. Montreal declined that offer, signalling that they value him much higher. Also, they may not be inclined to want to move him." I cant tell from how that was written if the offer was for 2 players (a young forward and a former first rounder?) or if that young forward is a former 1st rounder, but either way, it does sound like: - Teams are interested in Xhekaj and will pay for him - Hughes will listen to offers but... - Hughes is not trying to move him, it has to make sense first and foremost. So far Hughes has proven to be pretty sharp with the wheeling and dealing I can't see him showing his hand unlike MB who seemed to feel the need to lower a players value before trading him..........
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Post by ChiLla on Jan 30, 2024 13:04:47 GMT
Pronman and J. McKenzie discussed hypothetical trade returns for Elias Lindholm from various teams yesterday (https://theathletic.com/5215769/2024/01/29/flames-elias-lindholm-trade-nhl/), here's what they came up with: Boston: 1st rounder in 2025, Matt Poitras (C), Trent Frederic (LW) Colorado: 1st rounder in 2024, Calum Ritchie (C), Logan O'Connor (RW) Dallas: 1st rounder in 2024, Mavrik Bourque (C), Sam Steel (C) Vancouver: 1st rounder in 2024, Nils Hoglander (LW), Andrei Kuzmenko (LW) Vegas: 1st rounder in 2024, David Edstrom (C), Brett Howden (C)
Just some food for thought regarding Monahan and what's potentially out there. I'm not saying that's what we'll get but he shouldn't be that far behind in terms of trade value at the deadline.
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Post by claremont on Jan 30, 2024 15:07:24 GMT
Pronman and J. McKenzie discussed hypothetical trade returns for Elias Lindholm from various teams yesterday (https://theathletic.com/5215769/2024/01/29/flames-elias-lindholm-trade-nhl/), here's what they came up with: Boston: 1st rounder in 2025, Matt Poitras (C), Trent Frederic (LW) Colorado: 1st rounder in 2024, Calum Ritchie (C), Logan O'Connor (RW) Dallas: 1st rounder in 2024, Mavrik Bourque (C), Sam Steel (C) Vancouver: 1st rounder in 2024, Nils Hoglander (LW), Andrei Kuzmenko (LW) Vegas: 1st rounder in 2024, David Edstrom (C), Brett Howden (C)
Just some food for thought regarding Monahan and what's potentially out there. I'm not saying that's what we'll get but he shouldn't be that far behind in terms of trade value at the deadline. See my thoughts under - If I were GM.
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Post by ChiLla on Jan 30, 2024 15:56:49 GMT
If you belive David Pagnotta of the 4th period (more reputable than Eklund but probably not as much as Dreger or McKenzie or someone) teams have inquired about Xhekaj and at least one offer has been made. The offer was believed to be for "a young NHL forward and a former first round pick. The first round pick in question has second line potential. Montreal declined that offer, signalling that they value him much higher. Also, they may not be inclined to want to move him." I cant tell from how that was written if the offer was for 2 players (a young forward and a former first rounder?) or if that young forward is a former 1st rounder, but either way, it does sound like: - Teams are interested in Xhekaj and will pay for him - Hughes will listen to offers but... - Hughes is not trying to move him, it has to make sense first and foremost. Glad to read this, I have a feeling we'd regret trading Xhekaj – a lot. He's unique in what he brings and there's plenty of untapped potential offensively and defensively. Anyone's available for the right price but I'd hate to lose him, I'm sure his teammates feel the same way.
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Post by maasart on Jan 30, 2024 16:34:16 GMT
Pronman and J. McKenzie discussed hypothetical trade returns for Elias Lindholm from various teams yesterday (https://theathletic.com/5215769/2024/01/29/flames-elias-lindholm-trade-nhl/), here's what they came up with: Boston: 1st rounder in 2025, Matt Poitras (C), Trent Frederic (LW) Colorado: 1st rounder in 2024, Calum Ritchie (C), Logan O'Connor (RW) Dallas: 1st rounder in 2024, Mavrik Bourque (C), Sam Steel (C) Vancouver: 1st rounder in 2024, Nils Hoglander (LW), Andrei Kuzmenko (LW) Vegas: 1st rounder in 2024, David Edstrom (C), Brett Howden (C)
Just some food for thought regarding Monahan and what's potentially out there. I'm not saying that's what we'll get but he shouldn't be that far behind in terms of trade value at the deadline. Im curious if Hughes wants to wait until after Lindholm is gone. The silly thing is that, as BigTed pointed out, Monahan actually has a higher point totaly this, year, is the same age (they were drafted #5 and 6th overall in the same draft!) have virtually the same number of games played and same point totals. Yes, Monahan has had injury troubles but most of those were tied to his hips. Since his 2 surgeries his injuries have been unrelated & he's looked fantastic this year. Im not convinced Calgary will get more for LIndholm than we will get for Monahan, especially if we wait until after Lindholm is traded.
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Post by maasart on Jan 30, 2024 16:38:25 GMT
If you belive David Pagnotta of the 4th period (more reputable than Eklund but probably not as much as Dreger or McKenzie or someone) teams have inquired about Xhekaj and at least one offer has been made. The offer was believed to be for "a young NHL forward and a former first round pick. The first round pick in question has second line potential. Montreal declined that offer, signalling that they value him much higher. Also, they may not be inclined to want to move him." I cant tell from how that was written if the offer was for 2 players (a young forward and a former first rounder?) or if that young forward is a former 1st rounder, but either way, it does sound like: - Teams are interested in Xhekaj and will pay for him - Hughes will listen to offers but... - Hughes is not trying to move him, it has to make sense first and foremost. Glad to read this, I have a feeling we'd regret trading Xhekaj – a lot. He's unique in what he brings and there's plenty of untapped potential offensively and defensively. Anyone's available for the right price but I'd hate to lose him, I'm sure his teammates feel the same way. We're going to have to make some deisions on the back end though. Xhekaj is a special player, I agree - I dont know if we've had anyone quite like him since like... Lyle Odelein. And while no one is mistaking Odelein for Bobby Orr, ask his teammates how important he was to that group, including the last habs team to win the cup. BUt the fact remains we have 3 LHD slots (4 if you include 7th dman) and we have a very promising group in Matheson, Guhle, Hutson, Struble, Harris, Xhekaj, Engstrom and others. Matheson is the easy one to move because of age but the others? There's some overlap in Harris and Struble as very similar players but the other guys? And we need to shore up our RHD who are really a lot of question marks at this time. So i think we will have to move a few dmen and Xhekaj may be one of the guys but Hughes knows what he's got & is not going to give him away for cheap.
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Post by HTL on Jan 30, 2024 21:31:16 GMT
If we are supposed contenders in 2 to 3 years as many point out,,,, wouldn't Wifi be the type of guy we would be looking to add for a run?? Isn't he of the age that fits into our window? Why in the world would we consider moving him? Would seem like a baffling move to me.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Jan 30, 2024 23:31:45 GMT
If we are supposed contenders in 2 to 3 years as many point out,,,, wouldn't Wifi be the type of guy we would be looking to add for a run?? Isn't he of the age that fits into our window? Why in the world would we consider moving him? Would seem like a baffling move to me. Agree.......
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Post by maasart on Jan 31, 2024 0:49:20 GMT
If we are supposed contenders in 2 to 3 years as many point out,,,, wouldn't Wifi be the type of guy we would be looking to add for a run?? Isn't he of the age that fits into our window? Why in the world would we consider moving him? Would seem like a baffling move to me. You cant keep everybody though. Im not advocating for trading him for the sake of moving him but aside from Matheson & Savard who will both likely be gone, we still have upwards of 10 defensemen competing for 6-7 spots. Someone will have to be moved & i think people are going to be unhappy no matter who it is.
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Post by HTL on Jan 31, 2024 1:40:28 GMT
If we are supposed contenders in 2 to 3 years as many point out,,,, wouldn't Wifi be the type of guy we would be looking to add for a run?? Isn't he of the age that fits into our window? Why in the world would we consider moving him? Would seem like a baffling move to me. You cant keep everybody though. Im not advocating for trading him for the sake of moving him but aside from Matheson & Savard who will both likely be gone, we still have upwards of 10 defensemen competing for 6-7 spots. Someone will have to be moved & i think people are going to be unhappy no matter who it is. I understand we have an abundance of LD, but everything i read tells us that Wifi is the type of guy you want to go to war with in the playoffs. When we're in that position down the road what will we have to pay to get that type of guy when we already have one in waiting? Can we say the same about the other half dozen guys in the system? Just seems strange to move a guy whom contenders are all searching for when he's well withing this window everybody talks about.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jan 31, 2024 2:11:52 GMT
Pronman and J. McKenzie discussed hypothetical trade returns for Elias Lindholm from various teams yesterday (https://theathletic.com/5215769/2024/01/29/flames-elias-lindholm-trade-nhl/), here's what they came up with: Boston: 1st rounder in 2025, Matt Poitras (C), Trent Frederic (LW) Colorado: 1st rounder in 2024, Calum Ritchie (C), Logan O'Connor (RW) Dallas: 1st rounder in 2024, Mavrik Bourque (C), Sam Steel (C) Vancouver: 1st rounder in 2024, Nils Hoglander (LW), Andrei Kuzmenko (LW) Vegas: 1st rounder in 2024, David Edstrom (C), Brett Howden (C) Just some food for thought regarding Monahan and what's potentially out there. I'm not saying that's what we'll get but he shouldn't be that far behind in terms of trade value at the deadline.
All of these trades are based around a 1st rounder coming back in addition to another prospect, yet many of these prospects are second-tier guys. The 2025 Boston pick would be intriguing to me, because I still feel that at some point, Boston is going to slide down the standings. And Poitras may be one of the better prospects you have listed there. But I have little interest in a lot of the other names put forth, and a player like Kuzmenko might actually have negative value.
I've thrown out some names of my own in the past, but with respect to Vancouver, I think you really want to be looking into Jonathan Lekkerimaki. He would be an excellent fit in our top 6, and we know the Habs liked him at one point. Lekkerimaki + a 2nd rounder would be a better deal than Hoglander + a 1st IMO. I've also mentioned Winnipeg as a potential destination for Monahan, and they have the likes of Lambert and Barlow to look at. And from Carolina, Scott Morrow is a RHD I've mentioned a number of times and a guy I think you might be able to get WITH a 1st rounder together.
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Post by ChiLla on Jan 31, 2024 6:54:48 GMT
Pronman and J. McKenzie discussed hypothetical trade returns for Elias Lindholm from various teams yesterday (https://theathletic.com/5215769/2024/01/29/flames-elias-lindholm-trade-nhl/), here's what they came up with: Boston: 1st rounder in 2025, Matt Poitras (C), Trent Frederic (LW) Colorado: 1st rounder in 2024, Calum Ritchie (C), Logan O'Connor (RW) Dallas: 1st rounder in 2024, Mavrik Bourque (C), Sam Steel (C) Vancouver: 1st rounder in 2024, Nils Hoglander (LW), Andrei Kuzmenko (LW) Vegas: 1st rounder in 2024, David Edstrom (C), Brett Howden (C) Just some food for thought regarding Monahan and what's potentially out there. I'm not saying that's what we'll get but he shouldn't be that far behind in terms of trade value at the deadline.
All of these trades are based around a 1st rounder coming back in addition to another prospect, yet many of these prospects are second-tier guys. The 2025 Boston pick would be intriguing to me, because I still feel that at some point, Boston is going to slide down the standings. And Poitras may be one of the better prospects you have listed there. But I have little interest in a lot of the other names put forth, and a player like Kuzmenko might actually have negative value.
I've thrown out some names of my own in the past, but with respect to Vancouver, I think you really want to be looking into Jonathan Lekkerimaki. He would be an excellent fit in our top 6, and we know the Habs liked him at one point. Lekkerimaki + a 2nd rounder would be a better deal than Hoglander + a 1st IMO. I've also mentioned Winnipeg as a potential destination for Monahan, and they have the likes of Lambert and Barlow to look at. And from Carolina, Scott Morrow is a RHD I've mentioned a number of times and a guy I think you might be able to get WITH a 1st rounder together.
Yeah, I'm not interested in all of the players they came up with and I doubt Calgary really is (plus some of those players are salary dumps). I just think it's strange that there seems to be some sort of consensus around the value for Lindholm being a 1st rounder plus a relatively strong prospect, while Monahan's seems to be a 2nd rounder/eqivalent or a low 1st rounder at best. I understand that Lindholm's value ≠ Monahan's value but they are not THAT far off in my eyes. Like others have said, it could make a lot of sense to wait for Lindholm to be dealt and then squeeze the remaining teams real hard for the absolute best deal we can get. There aren't many centers available that are interesting for contending teams and Monahan checks a lot of the boxes. Either way, I think Monahan will fetch a very good return and Hughes has shown that he's smart and creative when it comes to trades, so it's going to be interesting for sure.
Who knows, maybe we'll even see a trade involving Monahan and one of our LHD for an even bigger haul?
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Post by claremont on Jan 31, 2024 15:45:31 GMT
All of these trades are based around a 1st rounder coming back in addition to another prospect, yet many of these prospects are second-tier guys. The 2025 Boston pick would be intriguing to me, because I still feel that at some point, Boston is going to slide down the standings. And Poitras may be one of the better prospects you have listed there. But I have little interest in a lot of the other names put forth, and a player like Kuzmenko might actually have negative value.
I've thrown out some names of my own in the past, but with respect to Vancouver, I think you really want to be looking into Jonathan Lekkerimaki. He would be an excellent fit in our top 6, and we know the Habs liked him at one point. Lekkerimaki + a 2nd rounder would be a better deal than Hoglander + a 1st IMO. I've also mentioned Winnipeg as a potential destination for Monahan, and they have the likes of Lambert and Barlow to look at. And from Carolina, Scott Morrow is a RHD I've mentioned a number of times and a guy I think you might be able to get WITH a 1st rounder together.
Yeah, I'm not interested in all of the players they came up with and I doubt Calgary really is (plus some of those players are salary dumps). I just think it's strange that there seems to be some sort of consensus around the value for Lindholm being a 1st rounder plus a relatively strong prospect, while Monahan's seems to be a 2nd rounder/eqivalent or a low 1st rounder at best. I understand that Lindholm's value ≠ Monahan's value but they are not THAT far off in my eyes. Like others have said, it could make a lot of sense to wait for Lindholm to be dealt and then squeeze the remaining teams real hard for the absolute best deal we can get. There aren't many centers available that are interesting for contending teams and Monahan checks a lot of the boxes. Either way, I think Monahan will fetch a very good return and Hughes has shown that he's smart and creative when it comes to trades, so it's going to be interesting for sure.
Who knows, maybe we'll even see a trade involving Monahan and one of our LHD for an even bigger haul?
I would like to see HuGo get a bigger splash with Monahan plus plus - Players under RFA control or those with term and/or salary retention have to be added value for an acquiring team especially if they are not essential within our plan. I have already written about using our last 2024 retention slot to 50% package Armia or Savard ($1.75M). Either one of those could be a depth addition for a contender with the proviso that if they didn't fit next year then at $1.75M they can bury $1.15M in the minors and only have a $600K cap hit mistake. Alternatively yes - maybe a LHD could fit in there like Jordan Harris. I would really want a high level prospect and a 1st rounder - could the sum of the parts be worth more than the individual trades? On another note, the Rangers shopping Kappo Kakko again - He joins a long list of Finns for me that showed promise but disappear for long stretches - Laine, Puljujarvi, Kotkaniemi, Ylonen, Heinola, Raty., too early on Kemmell. Maybe Anton Lundell is the only recent one that came as advertised. Just starting to think that the Finnish league is somewhat overrated.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Jan 31, 2024 16:37:01 GMT
If we are supposed contenders in 2 to 3 years as many point out,,,, wouldn't Wifi be the type of guy we would be looking to add for a run?? Isn't he of the age that fits into our window? Why in the world would we consider moving him? Would seem like a baffling move to me. You cant keep everybody though. Im not advocating for trading him for the sake of moving him but aside from Matheson & Savard who will both likely be gone, we still have upwards of 10 defensemen competing for 6-7 spots. Someone will have to be moved & i think people are going to be unhappy no matter who it is. True. However, I'm keen to continue getting looks at Harris, Struble, Guhle, Xhekaj, Kovacevic, and Barron. At least until we get a better picture of Reinbacher, Mailloux, and co. I'd be willing to move either one of those guys, but the deal would have to be very interesting. I'm not making any efforts to deal them before this year's deadline.
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Post by maasart on Jan 31, 2024 18:03:34 GMT
All of these trades are based around a 1st rounder coming back in addition to another prospect, yet many of these prospects are second-tier guys. The 2025 Boston pick would be intriguing to me, because I still feel that at some point, Boston is going to slide down the standings. And Poitras may be one of the better prospects you have listed there. But I have little interest in a lot of the other names put forth, and a player like Kuzmenko might actually have negative value.
I've thrown out some names of my own in the past, but with respect to Vancouver, I think you really want to be looking into Jonathan Lekkerimaki. He would be an excellent fit in our top 6, and we know the Habs liked him at one point. Lekkerimaki + a 2nd rounder would be a better deal than Hoglander + a 1st IMO. I've also mentioned Winnipeg as a potential destination for Monahan, and they have the likes of Lambert and Barlow to look at. And from Carolina, Scott Morrow is a RHD I've mentioned a number of times and a guy I think you might be able to get WITH a 1st rounder together.
Yeah, I'm not interested in all of the players they came up with and I doubt Calgary really is (plus some of those players are salary dumps). I just think it's strange that there seems to be some sort of consensus around the value for Lindholm being a 1st rounder plus a relatively strong prospect, while Monahan's seems to be a 2nd rounder/eqivalent or a low 1st rounder at best. I understand that Lindholm's value ≠ Monahan's value but they are not THAT far off in my eyes. Like others have said, it could make a lot of sense to wait for Lindholm to be dealt and then squeeze the remaining teams real hard for the absolute best deal we can get. There aren't many centers available that are interesting for contending teams and Monahan checks a lot of the boxes. Either way, I think Monahan will fetch a very good return and Hughes has shown that he's smart and creative when it comes to trades, so it's going to be interesting for sure.
Who knows, maybe we'll even see a trade involving Monahan and one of our LHD for an even bigger haul?
I feel like if we package Monahan with someone it would be a guy like Savard or Matheson, not one of our younger surplus D. I think its unlikely we would do that because it probably wont get us as much value as trading them separately but you never know. We havent seen a "real" block buster trade in a looooong time. Like back when the leafs traded Clarke, Lefebvre, & Wilson for Sundin, a 1st, Butcher & Warriner If a team offered us a recent 1st rounder, this year's 1st rounder & a roster player (ideally a young top 4 RHD) Id certainly consider trading Monahan + one of our vet dmen.
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Post by maasart on Jan 31, 2024 18:05:54 GMT
You cant keep everybody though. Im not advocating for trading him for the sake of moving him but aside from Matheson & Savard who will both likely be gone, we still have upwards of 10 defensemen competing for 6-7 spots. Someone will have to be moved & i think people are going to be unhappy no matter who it is. True. However, I'm keen to continue getting looks at Harris, Struble, Guhle, Xhekaj, Kovacevic, and Barron. At least until we get a better picture of Reinbacher, Mailloux, and co. I'd be willing to move either one of those guys, but the deal would have to be very interesting. I'm not making any efforts to deal them before this year's deadline. Also agree. Many of us were willing to write off Struble when he was in the AHL but he's been, arguably, our steadiest defensman since we brought him up. Honestly, if i was Hughes, id be looking at Trading Savard & Matheson first - because they dont fit into our long term plans & should bring back a great haul. Of the young guys, id probably move Harris first (even though I like him) because i think there's some redundancy but i wouldnt give any of them away.
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Post by regis on Jan 31, 2024 19:16:35 GMT
Fwiw I stumbled upon Tony Marinaros podcast on Facebook a couple night ago , he had Eric Engels on.
They both believe that Monahan will get traded
Pearson : , Marinaro thinks he will; Engels , yea probably but you’re not getting anything significant in return
Armia nope
Everyone / anyone else is a maybe
They both feel of the D men , Harris is most likely to get moved at some time but there is no rush
And There’s no rush to move matheson or Savard but if they do to get moved expect some regression in the team
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Post by HTL on Jan 31, 2024 19:19:48 GMT
For certain i wouldn't give any of them away but i feel it's only Wifi that gives us something the others don't, and it's why i'd be leary in dealing him away at all, unless it's one of those can't turn it down deals. As i mentioned before, he's the type of player contending teams would bend over backwards to add to their roster and we'll probably be in the same boat in a couple years. Why create a hole just to patch another??
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Post by maasart on Jan 31, 2024 19:27:18 GMT
Fwiw I stumbled upon Tony Marinaros podcast on Facebook a couple night ago , he had Eric Engels on. They both believe that Monahan will get traded Pearson : , Marinaro thinks he will; Engels , yea probably but you’re not getting anything significant in returnArmia nope Everyone / anyone else is a maybe They both feel of the D men , Harris is most likely to get moved at some time but there is no rush And There’s no rush to move matheson or Savard but if they do to get moved expect some regression in the team In what world does an impending UFA, who is 29 years old, has scored 14 points in his last 12 games (35 points in 49 games on the year) has previously been a PPG player (or close to) several times in his career and is a centre, NOT bring back something significant. Add to that the fact that at his current salary, if Hughes decides to retain, he would actually be at league minimum and a team could replace their #12 forward with Monahan's salary & play him in their top 6. If Engels actually said this, he's way off base imho.
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Post by habsology on Jan 31, 2024 19:34:37 GMT
Fwiw I stumbled upon Tony Marinaros podcast on Facebook a couple night ago , he had Eric Engels on. They both believe that Monahan will get traded Pearson : , Marinaro thinks he will; Engels , yea probably but you’re not getting anything significant in returnArmia nope Everyone / anyone else is a maybe They both feel of the D men , Harris is most likely to get moved at some time but there is no rush And There’s no rush to move matheson or Savard but if they do to get moved expect some regression in the team In what world does an impending UFA, who is 29 years old, has scored 14 points in his last 12 games (35 points in 49 games on the year) has previously been a PPG player (or close to) several times in his career and is a centre, NOT bring back something significant. Add to that the fact that at his current salary, if Hughes decides to retain, he would actually be at league minimum and a team could replace their #12 forward with Monahan's salary & play him in their top 6. If Engels actually said this, he's way off base imho. It looks like he was referring to Pearson.
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