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Post by maasart on May 6, 2024 3:22:09 GMT
The only way i would take on PLD is if:
- We got PLD with 50% salary retained (meaning we'd be paying him $4.25m for the next 7 years)
- They took back gallagher with no salary retained.
LA would slam down the phone but literally the only way im interested in Dubois at this point.
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Post by electron58 on May 6, 2024 13:36:15 GMT
Yeah, I was being facetious since there's zero chance LA would pull the trigger on that. I want nothing to do with PLD, on here and the old forums I was consistently critical of anyone suggesting we pursue him. Side note, what would you think of a 1/2 retention trade of Laine to us for the final two years of his contract to see if he could shake the monkey off his back? I would pass on Laine too. We have too many IF players and the IF for Laine is can he recover his game and potential ? Current IF’s - can Anderson recover his game and grow a new pair of hands ? Can Gally postpone his wear and tear and actually contribute next year? Can Joshua Roy develop and fit in the lineup? Can RHP find his game? Laine to me just presents another risk even at $4.35M - 1/2 salary Anderson for Laine. 2 disappointments for each other albeit different style players. Doubt the Jackets do this but you never know.
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Post by regis on May 6, 2024 13:43:03 GMT
👆 except , if I looked it upCorrectly , Laines cap hit us $8.7 m for two more years 🤦♂️
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Post by maasart on May 6, 2024 16:09:05 GMT
👆 except , if I looked it upCorrectly , Laines cap hit us $8.7 m for two more years 🤦♂️ Yeah thats a tough one. Id consider it though. Laine - $8.7m 2 more years - he was hurt last year but before that, 108 pts in his previous 111 games. Can he stay healthy? Dunno. 26 years old though. Anderson $5.5m, 3 more years - is a career average 35 point per season player. 29 years old. No question Laine is the more valuable player, obviously at a higher cap hit, but shorter term. I feel like you'd have to add from our side quite a bit. Anderson + Harris + 2nd for Laine The biggest issue here, aside from laine's health, is how he fits into the "suzuki cap" where we clearly have Nick's salary as the bar & no one exceeds that, but Laine already does so...
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Post by regis on May 6, 2024 17:10:15 GMT
Was he hurt or did he enter the NHLPA substance abuse program ?
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Post by maasart on May 6, 2024 17:29:17 GMT
Was he hurt or did he enter the NHLPA substance abuse program ? You're right - he did, of course - but that wasnt until like February i thought? He missed a lot of hockey before that & like 30 games in each of the previous seasons. Might be all related but id definitely be very cautious about trading for him. Only way id do that is if i was moving a majorly bad asset from our roster too. I still think there's a chance Laine really takes off again but thats a biiiiig contract to gamble on, even if it is only for 2 more years.
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Post by HTL on May 7, 2024 0:51:40 GMT
If we're going to spend that type of money i want a guaranteed thing and not risky projects like Laine and PLD. Just my opinion.
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Post by BigTed3 on May 7, 2024 1:32:55 GMT
If we're going to spend that type of money i want a guaranteed thing and not risky projects like Laine and PLD. Just my opinion. Agreed. I'm all for buying low on guys with blue-chip talent, but not at those contract prices. If PLD were bought out, I'd consider signing him for two years at 3-4M. If Columbus were retaining 50% on Laine, then it's a discussion. But there's way too much risk there for the amount of cap hit involved otherwise. No interest in just taking other team's problems from them for free.
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Post by graeme on May 7, 2024 3:16:20 GMT
LA would never do it (would probably just take buyout path if they really want out of the deal), but out of curiosity, would we be interested in PLD at 50% retention for a 7th round pick?
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Post by maasart on May 7, 2024 21:21:19 GMT
LA would never do it (would probably just take buyout path if they really want out of the deal), but out of curiosity, would we be interested in PLD at 50% retention for a 7th round pick? Id take PLD at 1/2 salary. Id probably take him at 35% retained (that brings his salary down to around $5.5m which is fairly reasonable for a quality second liner with 1st line potential). As you said, they likely look for some other option though. he's signed for 7 more years, thats a loooong time to carry dead cap. I might consider PLD 25% retained for Anderson (25% retained) although honestly id rather see if Josh can bounce back next year and then trade him then.
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Post by habsalways on May 7, 2024 23:24:55 GMT
If we're going to spend that type of money i want a guaranteed thing and not risky projects like Laine and PLD. Just my opinion. Agreed. I'm all for buying low on guys with blue-chip talent, but not at those contract prices. If PLD were bought out, I'd consider signing him for two years at 3-4M. If Columbus were retaining 50% on Laine, then it's a discussion. But there's way too much risk there for the amount of cap hit involved otherwise. No interest in just taking other team's problems from them for free. Yeah in my original musing, I stated 50% retention by CLB ... no way I take on Laine at full contract. And what goes the other way has to be marginal ... Andersson + 3rd for Laine (50% retention) for example
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Post by regis on May 14, 2024 1:26:54 GMT
On IG , nhl.feeds
Teams have called Montreal about Wifi, but GM Kent Hughes has no intention to move the defence man
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Post by maasart on May 14, 2024 15:22:05 GMT
On IG , nhl.feeds Teams have called Montreal about Wifi, but GM Kent Hughes has no intention to move the defence man It does make you wonder what the plan is. LD: Matheson Guhle Hutson Struble Harris Xhekaj Engstrom You've got 5 proven NHL defencement, 2 top prospects and only 3 spots (4 if you count 7th dman). I know some guys have played their off side but none have been as effective & i dont see it as a long-term solution. Have to wonder if Hughes wants Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj in our long term plans, does he seriously consider moving Matheson now - even after that amazing season last year? Harris & Struble are probably both very much available.
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Post by claremont on May 14, 2024 15:41:10 GMT
On IG , nhl.feeds Teams have called Montreal about Wifi, but GM Kent Hughes has no intention to move the defence man It does make you wonder what the plan is. LD: Matheson Guhle Hutson Struble Harris Xhekaj Engstrom You've got 5 proven NHL defencement, 2 top prospects and only 3 spots (4 if you count 7th dman). I know some guys have played their off side but none have been as effective & i dont see it as a long-term solution. Have to wonder if Hughes wants Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj in our long term plans, does he seriously consider moving Matheson now - even after that amazing season last year? Harris & Struble are probably both very much available. I project Harris is being shopped first. Harris made our starting LHD lineup his first year out of NCAA Northeastern, after a so-so 4 year career (solid but not outstanding). One would think Hutson after two outstanding years at Boston College should make our LHD roster this year. At $1.4M salary and under RFA control, with ability to play both sides, Harris has to be an attractive 2nd / 3rd pairing D man with good underlying metrics / statistics. Sure Guhle probably has a higher ceiling and may be more valued to an acquiring team but he has stalwart physical value to the Habs so IMO I would retain Guhle (even with some of his injuries). Struble does not have the body of work that Harris has. Xhekaj has that physical intangible. My order of trade would be Harris, Matheson (high value), Xhekaj, Guhle, Struble, Engstrom, Hutson
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Post by maasart on May 14, 2024 17:26:35 GMT
It does make you wonder what the plan is. LD: Matheson Guhle Hutson Struble Harris Xhekaj Engstrom You've got 5 proven NHL defencement, 2 top prospects and only 3 spots (4 if you count 7th dman). I know some guys have played their off side but none have been as effective & i dont see it as a long-term solution. Have to wonder if Hughes wants Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj in our long term plans, does he seriously consider moving Matheson now - even after that amazing season last year? Harris & Struble are probably both very much available. I project Harris is being shopped first. Harris made our starting LHD lineup his first year out of NCAA Northeastern, after a so-so 4 year career (solid but not outstanding). One would think Hutson after two outstanding years at Boston College should make our LHD roster this year. At $1.4M salary and under RFA control, with ability to play both sides, Harris has to be an attractive 2nd / 3rd pairing D man with good underlying metrics / statistics. Sure Guhle probably has a higher ceiling and may be more valued to an acquiring team but he has stalwart physical value to the Habs so IMO I would retain Guhle (even with some of his injuries). Struble does not have the body of work that Harris has. Xhekaj has that physical intangible. My order of trade would be Harris, Matheson (high value), Xhekaj, Guhle, Struble, Engstrom, Hutson Agree with this & I agree with your order of trading. I think Harris is as good as gone - unless we move someone of higher value. I think its unlikely we trade Xhekaj because he's likely worth more to us than what another team would offer. I think Matheson will be traded but not sure if Hughes will try to get one more year out of him since we clearly want to be productive next year. I think Guhle and Hutson are nearly untouchable in Hughe's mind: unless someone offers us something very very special for either.
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Post by BigTed3 on May 14, 2024 18:40:42 GMT
^^ I'm not even sure Hughes has his plan figured out yet. I think he'll want to know what returns are on the table for various players and then choose what's best for the Habs. But ep in mind that he and MSL may well be fine with Guhle and/or Harris playing the right side too. So it could mean they simply move out a Kovacevic or a Barron to make that happen. I have a hard time seeing the Habs say the goal is the post-season next year and then turning around and trading Matheson or Savard in the off-season. I think those may be deadline deals if we're out of it, but I don't think the plan is to walk into day 1 with only youngsters. And as much as we would all like to know what Hutson, Engstrom, Mailloux, or Reinbacher can do at the NHL level, those players are all able to play in the AHL without waivers, so they might just start them out there and let the dust settle. Keep in mind that this team didn't rush to trade a goalie last year despite the logjam there, so I think Hughes will be patient for a deal he likes. As a default, he can start the year with
Matheson-Guhle Harris-Savard Xhekaj-Barron Struble-Kovacevic
and not force himself into any bad decisions.
That said, I do agree he'll be open to clearing a roster spot for one of his young D, so Harris, Barron, and Kovacevic are all on the trade block if the right deal comes along, and I still don't exclude Guhle from being shipped for help on offence.
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Post by maasart on May 14, 2024 19:21:34 GMT
^^ I'm not even sure Hughes has his plan figured out yet. I think he'll want to know what returns are on the table for various players and then choose what's best for the Habs. But ep in mind that he and MSL may well be fine with Guhle and/or Harris playing the right side too. So it could mean they simply move out a Kovacevic or a Barron to make that happen. I have a hard time seeing the Habs say the goal is the post-season next year and then turning around and trading Matheson or Savard in the off-season. I think those may be deadline deals if we're out of it, but I don't think the plan is to walk into day 1 with only youngsters. And as much as we would all like to know what Hutson, Engstrom, Mailloux, or Reinbacher can do at the NHL level, those players are all able to play in the AHL without waivers, so they might just start them out there and let the dust settle. Keep in mind that this team didn't rush to trade a goalie last year despite the logjam there, so I think Hughes will be patient for a deal he likes. As a default, he can start the year with Matheson-Guhle Harris-Savard Xhekaj-Barron Struble-Kovacevic and not force himself into any bad decisions. That said, I do agree he'll be open to clearing a roster spot for one of his young D, so Harris, Barron, and Kovacevic are all on the trade block if the right deal comes along, and I still don't exclude Guhle from being shipped for help on offence. Oh for sure. Return is everything. he may say "we're not trading Xhekaj" but if NJ offered us Nemec for him you know he'd do it. I think the point is that based on FMV, he likely looks at guys & says "nearly" untouchable but hey, if SJ wants Hutson for 1st overall you'd better believe its happening. lol. I also agree there's a chance we run into this year with Matheson-Guhle on our top pair, playing Guhle on his wrong side for another year or two, but i believe this is a short-term solution.
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Post by BigTed3 on May 14, 2024 19:59:16 GMT
^^ I'm not even sure Hughes has his plan figured out yet. I think he'll want to know what returns are on the table for various players and then choose what's best for the Habs. But ep in mind that he and MSL may well be fine with Guhle and/or Harris playing the right side too. So it could mean they simply move out a Kovacevic or a Barron to make that happen. I have a hard time seeing the Habs say the goal is the post-season next year and then turning around and trading Matheson or Savard in the off-season. I think those may be deadline deals if we're out of it, but I don't think the plan is to walk into day 1 with only youngsters. And as much as we would all like to know what Hutson, Engstrom, Mailloux, or Reinbacher can do at the NHL level, those players are all able to play in the AHL without waivers, so they might just start them out there and let the dust settle. Keep in mind that this team didn't rush to trade a goalie last year despite the logjam there, so I think Hughes will be patient for a deal he likes. As a default, he can start the year with Matheson-Guhle Harris-Savard Xhekaj-Barron Struble-Kovacevic and not force himself into any bad decisions. That said, I do agree he'll be open to clearing a roster spot for one of his young D, so Harris, Barron, and Kovacevic are all on the trade block if the right deal comes along, and I still don't exclude Guhle from being shipped for help on offence. Oh for sure. Return is everything. he may say "we're not trading Xhekaj" but if NJ offered us Nemec for him you know he'd do it. I think the point is that based on FMV, he likely looks at guys & says "nearly" untouchable but hey, if SJ wants Hutson for 1st overall you'd better believe its happening. lol. I also agree there's a chance we run into this year with Matheson-Guhle on our top pair, playing Guhle on his wrong side for another year or two, but i believe this is a short-term solution.
Agreed. But Savard and Matheson are themselves short-term solutions. In Savard's case, there are really 3 possibilities:
1. We aren't in the playoff mix and he's traded in-season next year. 2. We aren't in the playoff mix but sign him to an extension for 2-3 years. 3. We are in the playoff mix, keep him, and then see how things play our regarding an extension.
Now I'm not super keen on re-signing Savard, and hopefully there would be a good return on him as an impending UFA. But I think the odds are good that Savard will be out in the short term. Likewise, Matheson is IMO around to start next year, but he could easily be moved if the Habs feel Hutson is ready to take over.
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Post by maasart on May 15, 2024 16:13:33 GMT
Oh for sure. Return is everything. he may say "we're not trading Xhekaj" but if NJ offered us Nemec for him you know he'd do it. I think the point is that based on FMV, he likely looks at guys & says "nearly" untouchable but hey, if SJ wants Hutson for 1st overall you'd better believe its happening. lol. I also agree there's a chance we run into this year with Matheson-Guhle on our top pair, playing Guhle on his wrong side for another year or two, but i believe this is a short-term solution.
Agreed. But Savard and Matheson are themselves short-term solutions. In Savard's case, there are really 3 possibilities:
1. We aren't in the playoff mix and he's traded in-season next year. 2. We aren't in the playoff mix but sign him to an extension for 2-3 years. 3. We are in the playoff mix, keep him, and then see how things play our regarding an extension.
Now I'm not super keen on re-signing Savard, and hopefully there would be a good return on him as an impending UFA. But I think the odds are good that Savard will be out in the short term. Likewise, Matheson is IMO around to start next year, but he could easily be moved if the Habs feel Hutson is ready to take over. Definitely. the good thing is that i think Hughes has everything on the table. I think there are guys who are more likely to be moved (Harris, Barron) and those who are much less likely to be moved (Hutson, Guhle) but it all going to depend on return. MB called some players on the roster "Untouchable" and while that is probably true in practice (who is trading over market value for a guy like hutson?) but if Columbus calls up and offers Fantilli and Jiricek for Hutson and Roy, you send a plane.
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Post by regis on May 20, 2024 22:48:47 GMT
On IG Habs territory today .
Discuss or 😂🤣😂
The Montreal Canadiens have made it clear that Wifi will not be dealt despite interest from other GM’s
The Canadiens will most likely roll with Guhle, Hutson, Mailleux and Reinbacher as their core D men. All remain untouchable for now
Barron, Struble , Harris , norlinder, Engstrom could be dealt despite managements self proclaimed interest in keeping them
Dvorak, Savard and Armia are being shipped by Kent Hughes
The Canadiens might look to trade another young for ward . Names mentioned include Zegras, Rossi , Sillinger , Kent Johnson and Josh Norris
Enjoy 🤷♂️
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