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Post by claremont on May 20, 2024 23:26:39 GMT
On IG Habs territory today . Discuss or ππ€£π The Montreal Canadiens have made it clear that Wifi will not be dealt despite interest from other GMβs The Canadiens will most likely roll with Guhle, Hutson, Mailleux and Reinbacher as their core D men. All remain untouchable for now Barron, Struble , Harris , norlinder, Engstrom could be dealt despite managements self proclaimed interest in keeping them Dvorak, Savard and Armia are being shipped by Kent Hughes The Canadiens might look to trade another young for ward . Names mentioned include Zegras, Rossi , Sillinger , Kent Johnson and Josh Norris Enjoy π€·ββοΈ Interesting - I think Necas is on the table, if his AAV comes in less than Caufield Suzuki by some fair margin. I also believe Ehlers could be in play - not so sure about Sillinger. I have said before that Minny Wild has cap issues but I'm not certain Rossi is a fit here re; the size card.
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Post by BigTed3 on May 21, 2024 1:33:23 GMT
On IG Habs territory today . Discuss or ππ€£π The Montreal Canadiens have made it clear that Wifi will not be dealt despite interest from other GMβs The Canadiens will most likely roll with Guhle, Hutson, Mailleux and Reinbacher as their core D men. All remain untouchable for now Barron, Struble , Harris , norlinder, Engstrom could be dealt despite managements self proclaimed interest in keeping them Dvorak, Savard and Armia are being shipped by Kent Hughes The Canadiens might look to trade another young for ward . Names mentioned include Zegras, Rossi , Sillinger , Kent Johnson and Josh Norris Enjoy π€·ββοΈ Interesting - I think Necas is on the table, if his AAV comes in less than Caufield Suzuki by some fair margin. I also believe Ehlers could be in play - not so sure about Sillinger. I have said before that Minny Wild has cap issues but I'm not certain Rossi is a fit here re; the size card. Habs have reportedly inquired about Necas, and there's a fit there because the Habs have the ability to pay what Carolina doesn't want to AND the Habs have a plethora of defencemen, whereas Carolina has a lot of impending free agents and veterans they can't afford to keep, so being able to slot in a younger, cheaper guy with NHL experience might be of value to them. I can see them having interest in Harris and Kovacevic, for example. That's not enough to bring Necas back, but I think you could offer pick 27, Harris, and a prospect and see what they say. Ylonen may be another guy who catches their eye as a skilled cast-off... they seem to like that type of project too.
Agreed that Rossi doesn't make a lot of sense here, and neither does Norris with his injury history, unless you're giving up very little to get him. I've talked about Johnson repeatedly as a guywe should be targeting.
The other thing circling the rumor mill the past 48 hours is that the Habs have told teams they don't feel the need to trade for a center, which has led teams to believe they are all in on Cayden Lindstrom as their player of choice. Some saying the Habs will consider dealing the pick and moving back a few spots if Lindstrom and Demidov are both gone, as they feel they'll still be able to draft one of Iginla, Eiserman, Catton, Sennecke, etc. moving back.
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Post by maasart on May 23, 2024 16:38:47 GMT
Laine is a name i keep hearing come up in rumours.
He's still young (26) and has been elite at times in his short career. The rumour is that Columbus wants to give him a change of scenery after completing the substance abuse program.
Certainly would fit in nicely in our top 6
Slaf - Suzuki - Laine Caufield-Dach _____
But im not sure what you'd have to give up to get him. The contract isnt horrific ($8.7) but does mess with our internal "suzuki cap" and maybe more concerning: he has 2 years left & then will either leave or want a big payday.
Im not opposed to kicking tires but i wouldnt give up anything substantial. If they want Josh Anderson back as part of the deal, id definitely have some interest...
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Post by ramcharger440 on May 23, 2024 19:45:47 GMT
Laine is a name i keep hearing come up in rumours. He's still young (26) and has been elite at times in his short career. The rumour is that Columbus wants to give him a change of scenery after completing the substance abuse program. Certainly would fit in nicely in our top 6 Slaf - Suzuki - Laine Caufield-Dach _____ But im not sure what you'd have to give up to get him. The contract isnt horrific ($8.7) but does mess with our internal "suzuki cap" and maybe more concerning: he has 2 years left & then will either leave or want a big payday. Im not opposed to kicking tires but i wouldnt give up anything substantial. If they want Josh Anderson back as part of the deal, id definitely have some interest... LOL! Anderson for Laine done! Laine is one of those players who is probably a big risk but the reward could be great. If he came to MTL and gelled with MSL and the strong core of solid guys we have here he could be inspired and MTL is very much a euro feeling town with a crazy hockey fanbase that he may like. I lived there for 35 years and it is not the crazy nightlife city it used to be most of the clubs are gone replaced by condo's now! Imagine what he could do for our lineup healthy and inspired! I sure would not risk too much to get him though!
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Post by BigTed3 on May 23, 2024 19:50:20 GMT
Laine is a name i keep hearing come up in rumours. He's still young (26) and has been elite at times in his short career. The rumour is that Columbus wants to give him a change of scenery after completing the substance abuse program. Certainly would fit in nicely in our top 6 Slaf - Suzuki - Laine Caufield-Dach _____ But im not sure what you'd have to give up to get him. The contract isnt horrific ($8.7) but does mess with our internal "suzuki cap" and maybe more concerning: he has 2 years left & then will either leave or want a big payday. Im not opposed to kicking tires but i wouldnt give up anything substantial. If they want Josh Anderson back as part of the deal, id definitely have some interest... I'm not super-interested in Laine to be honest. A lot of baggage there and a big contract. If he plays well for you, he'll want another big payday in two years. If he doesn't play well, you've wasted two years of cap space. For me to be interested, they'd have to take Anderson AND retain some salary on Laine, and I don't see Columbus having interest in that.
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Post by ramcharger440 on May 23, 2024 20:37:52 GMT
Who Dares Wins.
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Post by maasart on May 23, 2024 21:12:38 GMT
Laine is a name i keep hearing come up in rumours. He's still young (26) and has been elite at times in his short career. The rumour is that Columbus wants to give him a change of scenery after completing the substance abuse program. Certainly would fit in nicely in our top 6 Slaf - Suzuki - Laine Caufield-Dach _____ But im not sure what you'd have to give up to get him. The contract isnt horrific ($8.7) but does mess with our internal "suzuki cap" and maybe more concerning: he has 2 years left & then will either leave or want a big payday. Im not opposed to kicking tires but i wouldnt give up anything substantial. If they want Josh Anderson back as part of the deal, id definitely have some interest... LOL! Anderson for Laine done! Laine is one of those players who is probably a big risk but the reward could be great. If he came to MTL and gelled with MSL and the strong core of solid guys we have here he could be inspired and MTL is very much a euro feeling town with a crazy hockey fanbase that he may like. I lived there for 35 years and it is not the crazy nightlife city it used to be most of the clubs are gone replaced by condo's now! Imagine what he could do for our lineup healthy and inspired! I sure would not risk too much to get him though! Haha, im guessing it would take more than that (obviously) but maybe Anderson + Harris + Winnepeg's first? Im not sure. Im not sure id do it either.
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Post by maasart on May 23, 2024 21:13:30 GMT
Laine is a name i keep hearing come up in rumours. He's still young (26) and has been elite at times in his short career. The rumour is that Columbus wants to give him a change of scenery after completing the substance abuse program. Certainly would fit in nicely in our top 6 Slaf - Suzuki - Laine Caufield-Dach _____ But im not sure what you'd have to give up to get him. The contract isnt horrific ($8.7) but does mess with our internal "suzuki cap" and maybe more concerning: he has 2 years left & then will either leave or want a big payday. Im not opposed to kicking tires but i wouldnt give up anything substantial. If they want Josh Anderson back as part of the deal, id definitely have some interest... I'm not super-interested in Laine to be honest. A lot of baggage there and a big contract. If he plays well for you, he'll want another big payday in two years. If he doesn't play well, you've wasted two years of cap space. For me to be interested, they'd have to take Anderson AND retain some salary on Laine, and I don't see Columbus having interest in that. I get it. but people also said Kovalev had a lot of baggage. I think at some point Hughes will have to take a few risks. Not sure we're quite there yet but if you could get Laine cheap, id def. explore.
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Post by BigTed3 on May 24, 2024 0:16:41 GMT
I'm not super-interested in Laine to be honest. A lot of baggage there and a big contract. If he plays well for you, he'll want another big payday in two years. If he doesn't play well, you've wasted two years of cap space. For me to be interested, they'd have to take Anderson AND retain some salary on Laine, and I don't see Columbus having interest in that. I get it. but people also said Kovalev had a lot of baggage. I think at some point Hughes will have to take a few risks. Not sure we're quite there yet but if you could get Laine cheap, id def. explore.
There are a few key differences for me between Kovalev and Laine:
- Kovalev was a player who controlled the game. His puck control and finesse were elite, and his shot and skating were above average. He had question marks about consistency of effort, but he was a performer in just about all aspects of the game. I don't get the same sense about Laine. He's been more of a goal scorer/sniper than anything, but he doesn't have the same ability to take over games that Kovy had.
- Kovalev was a guy who had been to the playoffs with multiple teams and had success there. Laine has limited playoff experience and has been fine but not stellar in the post-season, so there's less of a sense that he's a big-game player than Kovalev.
- Laine's injury history and mental health issues also need to be taken into account. He hasn't played more than 68 games in the past 5 years, so is he really a guy who's going to get it done for you over 82 games and then another 20-25 in the post-season for a Cup run? And while I give full credit to Laine for getting help via the player's assistance program, you look at others like Robin Lehner and Spencer Knight and you look at how a guy like Nichushkin was just ripped off Colorado's roster in the middle of a post-season run and there's risk there.
- The salary cap didn't exist when we acquired Kovalev. It's a much different world right now, and whereas before you could spend freely to add talent, adding an 8.7M contract now isn't just paying that one player, it means you can't add 8.7M worth of other assets instead. He's not really the guy I want to devote that much money to.
So sure, I'd take a flyer on Laine if he were coming in at 5M a season for two years. Not at 8.7M and not if I had to give up assets to acquire him.
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Post by maasart on May 24, 2024 17:35:34 GMT
I get it. but people also said Kovalev had a lot of baggage. I think at some point Hughes will have to take a few risks. Not sure we're quite there yet but if you could get Laine cheap, id def. explore.
There are a few key differences for me between Kovalev and Laine:
- Kovalev was a player who controlled the game. His puck control and finesse were elite, and his shot and skating were above average. He had question marks about consistency of effort, but he was a performer in just about all aspects of the game. I don't get the same sense about Laine. He's been more of a goal scorer/sniper than anything, but he doesn't have the same ability to take over games that Kovy had.
- Kovalev was a guy who had been to the playoffs with multiple teams and had success there. Laine has limited playoff experience and has been fine but not stellar in the post-season, so there's less of a sense that he's a big-game player than Kovalev.
- Laine's injury history and mental health issues also need to be taken into account. He hasn't played more than 68 games in the past 5 years, so is he really a guy who's going to get it done for you over 82 games and then another 20-25 in the post-season for a Cup run? And while I give full credit to Laine for getting help via the player's assistance program, you look at others like Robin Lehner and Spencer Knight and you look at how a guy like Nichushkin was just ripped off Colorado's roster in the middle of a post-season run and there's risk there.
- The salary cap didn't exist when we acquired Kovalev. It's a much different world right now, and whereas before you could spend freely to add talent, adding an 8.7M contract now isn't just paying that one player, it means you can't add 8.7M worth of other assets instead. He's not really the guy I want to devote that much money to.
So sure, I'd take a flyer on Laine if he were coming in at 5M a season for two years. Not at 8.7M and not if I had to give up assets to acquire him.
Yeah, i wasnt comparing the two. What i meant was that sometimes a GM has to look past the supposed 'baggage' - its entirely possible PLD could come to montreal & be an absolute banger...but i sure wouldnt give up assets to find out. With Laine im less worried about him not being good (assuming the substance issues are under control) and more worried about him wanting another massive contract in 2 years. If the cost to get him is anderson + spare parts then im ok bringing him in & letting him walk in 2 years though. Probably brings back a huge haul at TD in 2 years if he does bounce back.
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Post by regis on May 27, 2024 16:53:13 GMT
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Post by maasart on May 27, 2024 17:48:27 GMT
No way on earth im giving up 5th overall for Zegras. Honestly im not even sure i want him but cost of acquiring him would be huge. If you could get him for Harris+2nd then by all means, kick tires but if the cost is 5th overall or Guhle or something, im not interested. The most reasonable deal i heard was Mesar + Winnepeg's 1st + Harris. That probably is FMV and likely something both teams would at least consider. The problem is that Zegras is not really the ideal guy for our top 6. Right now we have: Big: Slafkovsky & Dach Medium: Suzuki (can take care of himself but not anyone else) Small: Caufield, Newhook (if he stays in our top 6) Zegras likely falls somewhere between Medium & Small. I dont have a fetish for size but we're already a little light in our top 6 and i think the guy(s) we add need to be bigger. Id much rather we draft Lindstrom at 5th overall vs. trading for Zegras TBH.
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Post by ramcharger440 on May 27, 2024 18:28:17 GMT
No way on earth im giving up 5th overall for Zegras. Honestly im not even sure i want him but cost of acquiring him would be huge. If you could get him for Harris+2nd then by all means, kick tires but if the cost is 5th overall or Guhle or something, im not interested. The most reasonable deal i heard was Mesar + Winnepeg's 1st + Harris. That probably is FMV and likely something both teams would at least consider. The problem is that Zegras is not really the ideal guy for our top 6. Right now we have: Big: Slafkovsky & Dach Medium: Suzuki (can take care of himself but not anyone else) Small: Caufield, Newhook (if he stays in our top 6) Zegras likely falls somewhere between Medium & Small. I dont have a fetish for size but we're already a little light in our top 6 and i think the guy(s) we add need to be bigger. Id much rather we draft Lindstrom at 5th overall vs. trading for Zegras TBH. 100% we need size with the skill! if you can somehow steal Zegras for sure you do it but not with our #5! I view Zegras as a compliment for scoring and PP use but in the playoffs when the going gets heavy he will be less of a force perhaps able to steal a game here and there with some offence but not really the kind of core player you need to go all the way.
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Post by HTL on May 27, 2024 20:46:45 GMT
His injury history is enough of a red flag for me to say NO to Zegras. Let's add some guys who can take a few hits every game and not made of fine china. I don't have a problem adding skill but it's no good to us on IR.
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Post by maasart on May 27, 2024 21:41:34 GMT
His injury history is enough of a red flag for me to say NO to Zegras. Let's add some guys who can take a few hits every game and not made of fine china. I don't have a problem adding skill but it's no good to us on IR. Yeah, Dach already scares me a bit. He (Dach) played seasons of 64,18,70,58,2 games. The first year he did spend some time in the AHL so i dont think he missed significant time because of injury, but in his second season (Covid) he only played 18 of like 54 games. Then 70, 58 and 2. So out of a possible 300 games in the last 4 years, he played 148. Thats worrisome. With regards to Zegras, Im not sure that he has shown a propensity towards injury (despite this last year) but I still would prefer someone a little more robust, especially based on what i think we'd have to give up in order to get him. Also, did anyone else notice that CC looked meh at the worlds next to Zegras, but as soon as they were broken up Caufield went on a tear & scored like 7 points in 4 games or something? Tiny sample size but im not sure hughes wants to reunite these two unless the cost is less than market value.
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Post by ChiLla on May 28, 2024 6:20:04 GMT
Agreed with all of the above, there's no way I'm trading the #5 pick in this year's draft for Zegras straight up. He's very good, tremendously skilled, and that's what we need. But he's another small-ish finesse forward and just by watching a few playoff games, I'm relatively certain that he's not going to move the needle a whole lot in a hard-fought playoff series. That's obviously conjecture at this point but we need guys capable of playing a bit of a heavier game and I'm not going to feel comfortable with a top 6 that includes Suzuki, Caufield, Zegras, and Newhook (maybe not full-time but he's going to fill in for someone at some point).
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Post by BigTed3 on May 29, 2024 1:25:02 GMT
Pierre Lebrun says the Habs are one of the teams that have called the Canes' new GM about Martin Necas. He says Hughes may just be doing his due diligence but that there's interest there on the Habs' part, as there is from a number of other teams. Lebrun adds two further points though:
1. He believes Necas is seeking a longterm deal elsewhere in the range of 8M AAV. 2. He believes the Canes are not interested in prospects or picks. They believe they still have a window to win now and want a player in return who will be of immediate help to the line-up.
So those two things seem to complicate matters for the Habs. One the first count, the salary probably isn't unreasonable, though I think you'd prefer to come in closer to 6.5-7M if you're signing him. But past that, who do the Habs really have who is a good enough roster player to make a trade worth it to Carolina? If you're the Habs, you're not giving up any of Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, or Slafkovsky to make that trade. Players like Gallagher, Anderson, and Armia likely aren't of much interest on their own. And while you could consider swapping Guhle for Necas because of positional needs, does it make a lot of sense to take on an 8M player in exchange for a much cheaper one? Not really. Maybe Dvorak could fit a need in Caarolina, especially if they buy out Kotkaniemi (the irony of Dvorak replacing JK again would also be comical), but I don't think he's worth anywhere near enough on his own. Savard likewise wouldn't be enough on his own. The one guy who could make some sense for Carolina is Matheson, who works right away, is an upgrade for them, and fills needs created by the number of D men they could be losing this off-season. So the question for us is whether getting younger and trading from a position of strength (LHD) to fill a need (scoring top 6 forward) is worth taking on the extra salary. Otherwise, maybe you need a 3rd-team broker to make this kind of a deal happen, whereby we could give up picks and prospects to a re-building squad. Not an easy solution here.
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Post by claremont on May 29, 2024 11:31:14 GMT
Pierre Lebrun says the Habs are one of the teams that have called the Canes' new GM about Martin Necas. He says Hughes may just be doing his due diligence but that there's interest there on the Habs' part, as there is from a number of other teams. Lebrun adds two further points though: 1. He believes Necas is seeking a longterm deal elsewhere in the range of 8M AAV. 2. He believes the Canes are not interested in prospects or picks. They believe they still have a window to win now and want a player in return who will be of immediate help to the line-up. So those two things seem to complicate matters for the Habs. One the first count, the salary probably isn't unreasonable, though I think you'd prefer to come in closer to 6.5-7M if you're signing him. But past that, who do the Habs really have who is a good enough roster player to make a trade worth it to Carolina? If you're the Habs, you're not giving up any of Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, or Slafkovsky to make that trade. Players like Gallagher, Anderson, and Armia likely aren't of much interest on their own. And while you could consider swapping Guhle for Necas because of positional needs, does it make a lot of sense to take on an 8M player in exchange for a much cheaper one? Not really. Maybe Dvorak could fit a need in Caarolina, especially if they buy out Kotkaniemi (the irony of Dvorak replacing JK again would also be comical), but I don't think he's worth anywhere near enough on his own. Savard likewise wouldn't be enough on his own. The one guy who could make some sense for Carolina is Matheson, who works right away, is an upgrade for them, and fills needs created by the number of D men they could be losing this off-season. So the question for us is whether getting younger and trading from a position of strength (LHD) to fill a need (scoring top 6 forward) is worth taking on the extra salary. Otherwise, maybe you need a 3rd-team broker to make this kind of a deal happen, whereby we could give up picks and prospects to a re-building squad. Not an easy solution here. I look at this from both sides and believe Matheson for Necas is a fair trade. From the Habs perspective: A) Matheson has an NTC - 8 team, but is unlikely to be part of the Habs when they vault to contending status. From a player perspective, do the right thing and give him a chance to win with a better team, if winning counts over his family home province area time, then it could be a good thing for his legacy. B) It does leave a big hole in the Habs left side especially on the PP, and even #1 pairing. Now Jordan Harris after a mediocre final NCAA year was able to step up to mostly 3rd pairing and 2nd pairing minutes in his rookie season. Perhaps Guhle covers the #1 pairing for a while but Hutson after standout NCAA seasons could cover some of those #1 minutes on the PP. It's a risk perhaps worth taking to get a player like Necas who immediately goes to 2nd line centre, pushes Dvorak to 3C, and allows Beck some development time then Dvorak / Jake Evans for trade bait at the deadline next year. Gets Dach / Newhook to the wings. C) Necas needs to fit the culture and personality of the team by wanting to be here, and not a prima dona. Provided his cap hit comes in around $6.5-$7M and expires before Suzuki / Caufield deals, it should be good. From Carolina's perspective: a) Matheson replaces Brady Skej whose stats are comparable to Matheson. Skej's next contract is forecasted by Daily Faceoff to be around $7.5M however personally I find that a bit rich and suspect it is closer to $6.0-$6.5M. Matheson gives them 2 years at a very reasonable cap hit of $4.875M b) May allow Canes to re-sign RHD Pesce.
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Post by maasart on May 29, 2024 15:49:02 GMT
Pierre Lebrun says the Habs are one of the teams that have called the Canes' new GM about Martin Necas. He says Hughes may just be doing his due diligence but that there's interest there on the Habs' part, as there is from a number of other teams. Lebrun adds two further points though: 1. He believes Necas is seeking a longterm deal elsewhere in the range of 8M AAV. 2. He believes the Canes are not interested in prospects or picks. They believe they still have a window to win now and want a player in return who will be of immediate help to the line-up. So those two things seem to complicate matters for the Habs. One the first count, the salary probably isn't unreasonable, though I think you'd prefer to come in closer to 6.5-7M if you're signing him. But past that, who do the Habs really have who is a good enough roster player to make a trade worth it to Carolina? If you're the Habs, you're not giving up any of Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, or Slafkovsky to make that trade. Players like Gallagher, Anderson, and Armia likely aren't of much interest on their own. And while you could consider swapping Guhle for Necas because of positional needs, does it make a lot of sense to take on an 8M player in exchange for a much cheaper one? Not really. Maybe Dvorak could fit a need in Caarolina, especially if they buy out Kotkaniemi (the irony of Dvorak replacing JK again would also be comical), but I don't think he's worth anywhere near enough on his own. Savard likewise wouldn't be enough on his own. The one guy who could make some sense for Carolina is Matheson, who works right away, is an upgrade for them, and fills needs created by the number of D men they could be losing this off-season. So the question for us is whether getting younger and trading from a position of strength (LHD) to fill a need (scoring top 6 forward) is worth taking on the extra salary. Otherwise, maybe you need a 3rd-team broker to make this kind of a deal happen, whereby we could give up picks and prospects to a re-building squad. Not an easy solution here. I look at this from both sides and believe Matheson for Necas is a fair trade. From the Habs perspective: A) Matheson has an NTC - 8 team, but is unlikely to be part of the Habs when they vault to contending status. From a player perspective, do the right thing and give him a chance to win with a better team, if winning counts over his family home province area time, then it could be a good thing for his legacy. B) It does leave a big hole in the Habs left side especially on the PP, and even #1 pairing. Now Jordan Harris after a mediocre final NCAA year was able to step up to mostly 3rd pairing and 2nd pairing minutes in his rookie season. Perhaps Guhle covers the #1 pairing for a while but Hutson after standout NCAA seasons could cover some of those #1 minutes on the PP. It's a risk perhaps worth taking to get a player like Necas who immediately goes to 2nd line centre, pushes Dvorak to 3C, and allows Beck some development time then Dvorak / Jake Evans for trade bait at the deadline next year. Gets Dach / Newhook to the wings. C) Necas needs to fit the culture and personality of the team by wanting to be here, and not a prima dona. Provided his cap hit comes in around $6.5-$7M and expires before Suzuki / Caufield deals, it should be good. From Carolina's perspective: a) Matheson replaces Brady Skej whose stats are comparable to Matheson. Skej's next contract is forecasted by Daily Faceoff to be around $7.5M however personally I find that a bit rich and suspect it is closer to $6.0-$6.5M. Matheson gives them 2 years at a very reasonable cap hit of $4.875M b) May allow Canes to re-sign RHD Pesce. Yeah this is a tough one. - Necas for Matheson is probably FMV from both sides - Necas is young enough to be here for a while. Matheson likely should be considered trade bait as his age doesnt fit our window but we will be weaker without him and Hughes has said he wants to start competing soon My biggest concern is what Necas wants going forward. He's RFA so you can sign him long term but will he fit under the "suzuki cap" ? IMHo no one on this team (yet) should be getting more than the $7.8m nick is getting. If Necas will sign for $7m, long term, id defnitely consider that deal. That said, i do think we should move Matheson soon-ish but was hoping for a younger player + picks.
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Post by regis on May 31, 2024 3:27:18 GMT
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