|
|
Post by maasart on Jan 11, 2024 19:38:08 GMT
Rumours are that Nicolas Beaudin - whom we acquired from Chicago in 2022 for Cam Hillis - has requested a trade. He's a former 1st rounder (2018 i believe) who does have some skills on d but there's just no way he makes it anywhere near this roster with about 6-7 LHD all ahead of him on the depth chart.
I highly doubt he'll bring anything of value - maybe another prospect for laval - but its possible Hughes packages him with another player or two. He could be a sweetener.
|
|
regis
Le Gros Bill
Posts: 1,282
|
Post by regis on Jan 11, 2024 20:50:24 GMT
dailyhive.com/montreal/canadiens-veterans-trade-deadline3 veteran players the Canadiens could trade before the deadline We’re less than two months away from the NHL trade deadline and the Montreal Canadiens have remained competitive with a record above .500. As a result, Montreal may not be the big-time sellers they were for the past two seasons, with GM Kent Hughes auctioning off Tyler Toffoli, Ben Chiarot, and Artturi Lehkonen before the 2022 deadline, but the Habs will be looking to make deals nonetheless. With the roster crowded in multiple areas, here are three veterans the Canadiens could realistically trade before March 8 rolls around. Jake Allen The biggest lineup issue plaguing the Canadiens this season is keeping three goalies at the NHL level. Hughes is well aware of problems that a crowded crease brings and even admitted that he’s looking to trade one of Montreal’s netminders. “There are teams that everyone talks about in the media that need a goalie,” he said on RDS this week. “The goal is to make a trade.” With Sam Montembeault assuming the role of starter and Cayden Primeau showing major improvements in his game, Jake Allen is likely to be the odd one out. At 33, Allen holds a $3.85 million cap hit, a reasonable amount for any team looking for a qualified backup to go on a run with. One likely reason a deal has not been made yet is that Hughes is holding out for the best possible offer. There have already been multiple reports of teams inquiring about the New Brunswick native; however, his seven-team no-trade list could complicate things. Sean Monahan Acquired by the Canadiens from the Calgary Flames for “future considerations” in August 2022, Sean Monahan has proven to be both an effective leader and a productive offensive asset for Montreal. nd while there are talks of the team offering the forward a contract extension before the offseason, his trade value is hard to ignore. Along with 11 goals and 24 points over 40 games this season, the 29-year-old also boasts a faceoff-win ratio of 57.4%, the best out of any centre on the team. And since the centre’s one-year, $2 million contract concludes in July, Montreal could technically rent him to a contender to gain assets and re-sign him in the summer as a free agent. Tanner Pearson Upon trading extra goalie Casey DeSmith to the Vancouver Canucks before the start of the season, the Canadiens acquired forward Tanner Pearson. The 31-year-old got off to a hot start in Montreal’s bottom six, scoring three goals and adding two assists through five games. That was followed by an offensive slump that lasted until Pearson was injured back in early December. While still not fully recovered, Pearson, who has eight points through 27 games this season, has begun skating and is nearing a return to play. f Pearson starts racking up points again, the two-time 20-goal scorer and Stanley Cup champion could see his stock rise on the market. Teams looking to add depth, grit, and playoff experience could very well benefit from his services.
|
|
|
|
Post by claremont on Jan 11, 2024 20:53:56 GMT
Rumours are that Nicolas Beaudin - whom we acquired from Chicago in 2022 for Cam Hillis - has requested a trade. He's a former 1st rounder (2018 i believe) who does have some skills on d but there's just no way he makes it anywhere near this roster with about 6-7 LHD all ahead of him on the depth chart. I highly doubt he'll bring anything of value - maybe another prospect for laval - but its possible Hughes packages him with another player or two. He could be a sweetener. Filip Cederqvist? Beaudin being the future considerations? |
|
regis
Le Gros Bill
Posts: 1,282
|
Post by regis on Jan 11, 2024 21:13:00 GMT
Beaudin should watch what he wishes for .
He's 24 ; 22 NHL: games ; about 5 years to make the NHL , He's probably in the AHL for a reason
Look at
Eric Comrie BUffalo , requested a trade , was waived he's now in the AHL
Rem Pitlick supposedly wanted a change, traded to Pittsburgh , waived , played in the AHL , now traded to Chicago ( im guessing cause Bedard AND Foligno are injured )
Just sayin
|
|
regis
Le Gros Bill
Posts: 1,282
|
Post by regis on Jan 11, 2024 21:21:41 GMT
MONTREAL – Montreal Canadiens general manager Kent Hughes announced on Thursday that the team has acquired forward Filip Cederqvist from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for future considerations.
Cederqvist, 23, has played 19 games with the Rochester Americans in the American Hockey League this season. The left-winger from Skara, Sweden has registered four points (one goal, three assists), in addition to serving 11 penalty minutes in 2023-24.
In 74 career games with Rochester in the AHL, Cederqvist has recorded 10 goals and 14 helpers. The 6-foot-3, 196 lb. forward has also added three assists in eight playoff appearances.
Cederqvist was selected in the fifth round (143rd overall) by the Buffalo Sabres in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft.
|
|
|
|
Post by maasart on Jan 12, 2024 0:11:37 GMT
Beaudin should watch what he wishes for . He's 24 ; 22 NHL: games ; about 5 years to make the NHL , He's probably in the AHL for a reason Look at Eric Comrie BUffalo , requested a trade , was waived he's now in the AHL Rem Pitlick supposedly wanted a change, traded to Pittsburgh , waived , played in the AHL , now traded to Chicago ( im guessing cause Bedard AND Foligno are injured ) Just sayin Agree, although if he got a trade to another team where he had a chance of being #6 or 7 dman it probably helps. Honestly in montreal he's behind Matheson, Guhle, Struble, Harris, Xhekaj, maybe Norlinder, and definitely Hutson and Engstrom when they join the team. He has like..zero chance of playing for the habs at LD. |
|
|
|
Post by BigTed3 on Jan 12, 2024 1:20:38 GMT
Darren Dreger reports that Kent Hughes promised Sean Monahan when he signed him this year that he would trade him to a contender or a team of his choice when the time came. This is precisely the arrangement I said Hughes should offer to Monahan (and the one he could have offered to Subban last year)... you come play for us, you get ice time to prove yourself, and then at the deadline, you get to move to a team that is a contender without gambling on a team earlier in the year that might not end up being good. Now, Monahan can ensure he goes to the playoffs and on his budget-friendly contract, it means almost anyone can afford him. For their part, the Habs get a veteran in the room for the season then some assets in return at the deadline. Win win.
Dreger suggested Edmonton, Colorado, Boston, and Washington could all be potential suitors for Monahan. Some of those teams could also use a goalie or a veteran defenceman...
|
|
|
|
Post by claremont on Jan 12, 2024 1:36:16 GMT
Darren Dreger reports that Kent Hughes promised Sean Monahan when he signed him this year that he would trade him to a contender or a team of his choice when the time came. This is precisely the arrangement I said Hughes should offer to Monahan (and the one he could have offered to Subban last year)... you come play for us, you get ice time to prove yourself, and then at the deadline, you get to move to a team that is a contender without gambling on a team earlier in the year that might not end up being good. Now, Monahan can ensure he goes to the playoffs and on his budget-friendly contract, it means almost anyone can afford him. For their part, the Habs get a veteran in the room for the season then some assets in return at the deadline. Win win. Dreger suggested Edmonton, Colorado, Boston, and Washington could all be potential suitors for Monahan. Some of those teams could also use a goalie or a veteran defenceman... While Monahan doesn’t need any salary retention, it would be a great move IMO to package a Savard, Allen or Armia and make it a big target deal - the latters with salary retention |
|
|
|
Post by electron58 on Jan 12, 2024 1:38:21 GMT
Darren Dreger reports that Kent Hughes promised Sean Monahan when he signed him this year that he would trade him to a contender or a team of his choice when the time came. This is precisely the arrangement I said Hughes should offer to Monahan (and the one he could have offered to Subban last year)... you come play for us, you get ice time to prove yourself, and then at the deadline, you get to move to a team that is a contender without gambling on a team earlier in the year that might not end up being good. Now, Monahan can ensure he goes to the playoffs and on his budget-friendly contract, it means almost anyone can afford him. For their part, the Habs get a veteran in the room for the season then some assets in return at the deadline. Win win. Dreger suggested Edmonton, Colorado, Boston, and Washington could all be potential suitors for Monahan. Some of those teams could also use a goalie or a veteran defenceman... I wonder if it handcuffs HUGO's quality of "assets" he would get in return. |
|
|
|
Post by electron58 on Jan 12, 2024 1:41:07 GMT
Darren Dreger reports that Kent Hughes promised Sean Monahan when he signed him this year that he would trade him to a contender or a team of his choice when the time came. This is precisely the arrangement I said Hughes should offer to Monahan (and the one he could have offered to Subban last year)... you come play for us, you get ice time to prove yourself, and then at the deadline, you get to move to a team that is a contender without gambling on a team earlier in the year that might not end up being good. Now, Monahan can ensure he goes to the playoffs and on his budget-friendly contract, it means almost anyone can afford him. For their part, the Habs get a veteran in the room for the season then some assets in return at the deadline. Win win. Dreger suggested Edmonton, Colorado, Boston, and Washington could all be potential suitors for Monahan. Some of those teams could also use a goalie or a veteran defenceman... While Monahan doesn’t need any salary retention, it would be a great move IMO to package a Savard, Allen or Armia and make it a big target deal - the latters with salary retention We only have one retention slot left? Plus Petry's has another year. Would have to have an extreme return to use the last one. |
|
|
|
Post by claremont on Jan 12, 2024 1:51:31 GMT
While Monahan doesn’t need any salary retention, it would be a great move IMO to package a Savard, Allen or Armia and make it a big target deal - the latters with salary retention We only have one retention slot left? Plus Petry's has another year. Would have to have an extreme return to use the last one. ?? A team gets 3 retention slots at any time with Edmundson expiring at the end of this year. I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to use 1 for either of Allen, Savard or Armia if the offer was right. After that you still have 1 left for the 2024-25 year. |
|
|
|
Post by electron58 on Jan 12, 2024 1:55:43 GMT
We only have one retention slot left? Plus Petry's has another year. Would have to have an extreme return to use the last one. ?? A team gets 3 retention slots at any time with Edmundson expiring at the end of this year. I don’t know why you wouldn’t want to use 1 for either of Allen, Savard or Armia if the offer was right. After that you still have 1 left for the 2024-25 year. Exactly! We have 1 left for this year. Let's make sure we get a significant return to make it worthwhile. They used to have some value. |
|
|
|
Post by booboo on Jan 12, 2024 15:44:51 GMT
Darren Dreger reports that Kent Hughes promised Sean Monahan when he signed him this year that he would trade him to a contender or a team of his choice when the time came. This is precisely the arrangement I said Hughes should offer to Monahan (and the one he could have offered to Subban last year)... you come play for us, you get ice time to prove yourself, and then at the deadline, you get to move to a team that is a contender without gambling on a team earlier in the year that might not end up being good. Now, Monahan can ensure he goes to the playoffs and on his budget-friendly contract, it means almost anyone can afford him. For their part, the Habs get a veteran in the room for the season then some assets in return at the deadline. Win win. Dreger suggested Edmonton, Colorado, Boston, and Washington could all be potential suitors for Monahan. Some of those teams could also use a goalie or a veteran defenceman... I wonder if it handcuffs HUGO's quality of "assets" he would get in return. Most definitely will reduce any return but I guess I’d say it’s the price you pay for having him help our youth. I’ll hope for a 3rd |
|
|
|
Post by maasart on Jan 12, 2024 16:35:51 GMT
Darren Dreger reports that Kent Hughes promised Sean Monahan when he signed him this year that he would trade him to a contender or a team of his choice when the time came. This is precisely the arrangement I said Hughes should offer to Monahan (and the one he could have offered to Subban last year)... you come play for us, you get ice time to prove yourself, and then at the deadline, you get to move to a team that is a contender without gambling on a team earlier in the year that might not end up being good. Now, Monahan can ensure he goes to the playoffs and on his budget-friendly contract, it means almost anyone can afford him. For their part, the Habs get a veteran in the room for the season then some assets in return at the deadline. Win win. Dreger suggested Edmonton, Colorado, Boston, and Washington could all be potential suitors for Monahan. Some of those teams could also use a goalie or a veteran defenceman... I wonder if it handcuffs HUGO's quality of "assets" he would get in return. I dont think it does. In the end, a team will pay based on what they need - and monahan is a quality asset. I dont think it matters if GMs know Hughes promised to trade him. He will be a sought after commodity. What it might do (and why i think Hughes was not worried about keeping it secret) is show potential UFAs that Hughes looks out for his players, his signings. That is a good thing when it comes to summer signings. |
|
|
|
Post by maasart on Jan 12, 2024 16:45:03 GMT
TSN has Allen (3rd) Monahan (4th) and Matheson (30th) on their trade bait board.
I definitely would put Monahan right near the top but im still not convinced Allen is the guy we will trade in nets. I wonder if they have heard rumours.
I also think its interesting Matheson is on there. Id peg Savard as a more likely trade bait, but there's no question Matheson would bright a hell of a haul from the right team. Can Guhle-Stuble-Harris-Xhekaj man the left side until Hutson and Engstrom are ready?
Going to be an interesting couple of months.
|
|
|
|
Post by BigTed3 on Jan 13, 2024 3:23:44 GMT
TSN has Allen (3rd) Monahan (4th) and Matheson (30th) on their trade bait board. I definitely would put Monahan right near the top but im still not convinced Allen is the guy we will trade in nets. I wonder if they have heard rumours. I also think its interesting Matheson is on there. Id peg Savard as a more likely trade bait, but there's no question Matheson would bright a hell of a haul from the right team. Can Guhle-Stuble-Harris-Xhekaj man the left side until Hutson and Engstrom are ready? Going to be an interesting couple of months.
It sounds like there are good chances Monahan leaves to go to a contender and that this was part of the pact, maybe akin to Kovalchuk having been told we would try to swing him to a contender. Sometimes there's talk of a guy being traded and then re-signing with the original team the next summer, but that almost never happens, and to me a good trade return would outweigh keeping Monahan on a multi-year deal (which I'm guessing he'll seek after this year - wouldn't be surprised if he gets 3 x 5.5M or 4 x 5M or something like that). Pearson, if he comes back healthy, also likely goes, albeit for a middling return, and I still wonder if Jake Evans is a guy they trade this deadline or in the off-season.
On D, I'm curious because I think almost any of the D men could be traded. Matheson is a guy you want to trade while he has peak value, which is now. Savard's a player you also want to trade this year if you get a good return before you risk his turning into an Edmundson case (where we missed the boat in dealing him after his strong play in our Cup final run). But I'd rather deal Savard for a Chiarot-like return if we can get one now than risk holding onto him for one more season. That said, I think Hughes and MSL like having these two D men around and will be shy to trade them this year. I've already outlined why I think Guhle could be traded and frankly, Harris or Xhekaj could also be on the block if the team thinks they're passed on the depth chart by Struble with the likes of Hutson and Engstrom and Reinbacher all potentially on the way as early as the end of this season. There just isn't room for all of them. Barron likewise seems like he might not be in the longterm cards, and Mailloux is making a push to get some NHL ice time now. Kovacevic seems to have fallen out of favor. So who knows. There are a decent number of guys who could in theory go, but I think the likeliest thing is Hughes not trading anyone this deadline and waiting til the off-season to make his re-shuffle. Of the D men here, Kovacevic is IMO the player most likely to be dealt but only for something like a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick.
In net, I would have personally given serious thought to trading Montembeault given the potential for a a better return. But then he went and signed his extension, and Hughes said he wasn't trading him. So that would probably need to take a monster offer to change that line of thought. I think they see him as the short-term #1. Now Primeau could still go in a trade, but I can't see any contender thinking to themselves that he's a guy they'd want to ride in the playoffs. There just isn't enough experience there, and I think his value is higher to us by keeping him or to a rebuilding team that wants a young goalie (which is not the type of trade we're likely to make as a deadline deal). So if a deal happens this season, I expect Allen is still the most likely to go now, though I also think using Primeau as a 1A and Allen as his veteran back-up would have been an okay plan too. Right now, I think Monty is being overrated by many, particularly a lot of the French media who seem to have anointed him a top 10 goalie in the league based on a small sample size. So while I think he's been our best goalie this year, I don't see him as a franchise cornerstone just yet.
|
|
|
|
Post by claremont on Jan 13, 2024 14:59:49 GMT
TSN has Allen (3rd) Monahan (4th) and Matheson (30th) on their trade bait board. I definitely would put Monahan right near the top but im still not convinced Allen is the guy we will trade in nets. I wonder if they have heard rumours. I also think its interesting Matheson is on there. Id peg Savard as a more likely trade bait, but there's no question Matheson would bright a hell of a haul from the right team. Can Guhle-Stuble-Harris-Xhekaj man the left side until Hutson and Engstrom are ready? Going to be an interesting couple of months. Agree on the interest, and the part I am most interested in, is what is the expected return for Monahan? If we go off previous benchmarks for forward rentals without term, 2022 - We got Barron who was a prospect and a 2nd rounder for Lehkonen (50% retained $1.15M). The Jets got a 1st, 2nd and a 5th round picks for a younger Andrew Copp from the Rangers and he was cap hit $3.64M on a rental. A young Brandon Hagel coming off 21g, 16A similar production to Monahan, the Hawks got 2 firsts from Tampa Bay but he was RFA so not really comparable. 2023 - Boston gave Detroit a 1st and a 4th for Tyler Bertuzzi (4 g, 10 a in 29 games - 50% retained $2.35M cap hit). Colorado gave up a 2025 2nd round pick to get C- Lars Eller (Cap hit $2.4M) from Washington, and Eller was a pure rental. Islanders gave up a 3rd round pick for Pierre Engvall - $2.25M cap hit. Pittsburgh Mikael Granlund trade isn't a comparable as he had 3 years of term. New Jersey paid huge for Timo Meier but he had some RFA control so not comparable. Jets paid a 2nd round pick for Nino Niederreiter but he had 1 more year at $4m, so not a rental, Same thing with Tampa paying huge for Tanner Jeannot. This year, it seems there is more parity in the NHL for playoff positioning. A more robust Elias Lindholm may set the bar and is more expensive. At Monahan's cap hit, he fits easily into a number of top echelon teams looking to go over the edge. Based on the Lehkonen, Bertuzzi, Eller and Engvall deals. One would have to think that a top prospect or a late round first would be a fair expectation, and a 2nd round pick would be the floor. If it's Colorado, I want C - Calum Ritchie. If it's Washington, I want their first or will settle for LW Andrew Cristall. Boston? - not sure I am interested in helping their team even for 1 year but they don't have a first round pick and the smallish winger Fabian Lysell is a maybe. St. Louis? I would love to pick up Dvorsky and even take on one of their bad contracts - Kapanen or Vrana. Seattle, Edmonton, Dallas, New York, Detroit, are suitors. LA Kings in a tailspin, losers of 7 in a row are really taking advantage of Bergevin's special consulting advice, could be desperate, but not for Monahan IMO. HuGo should have no shortage of bidders for Monahan. |
|
|
|
Post by electron58 on Jan 16, 2024 6:32:17 GMT
TSN has Allen (3rd) Monahan (4th) and Matheson (30th) on their trade bait board. I definitely would put Monahan right near the top but im still not convinced Allen is the guy we will trade in nets. I wonder if they have heard rumours. I also think its interesting Matheson is on there. Id peg Savard as a more likely trade bait, but there's no question Matheson would bright a hell of a haul from the right team. Can Guhle-Stuble-Harris-Xhekaj man the left side until Hutson and Engstrom are ready? Going to be an interesting couple of months.
It sounds like there are good chances Monahan leaves to go to a contender and that this was part of the pact, maybe akin to Kovalchuk having been told we would try to swing him to a contender. Sometimes there's talk of a guy being traded and then re-signing with the original team the next summer, but that almost never happens, and to me a good trade return would outweigh keeping Monahan on a multi-year deal (which I'm guessing he'll seek after this year - wouldn't be surprised if he gets 3 x 5.5M or 4 x 5M or something like that). Pearson, if he comes back healthy, also likely goes, albeit for a middling return, and I still wonder if Jake Evans is a guy they trade this deadline or in the off-season.
On D, I'm curious because I think almost any of the D men could be traded. Matheson is a guy you want to trade while he has peak value, which is now. Savard's a player you also want to trade this year if you get a good return before you risk his turning into an Edmundson case (where we missed the boat in dealing him after his strong play in our Cup final run). But I'd rather deal Savard for a Chiarot-like return if we can get one now than risk holding onto him for one more season. That said, I think Hughes and MSL like having these two D men around and will be shy to trade them this year. I've already outlined why I think Guhle could be traded and frankly, Harris or Xhekaj could also be on the block if the team thinks they're passed on the depth chart by Struble with the likes of Hutson and Engstrom and Reinbacher all potentially on the way as early as the end of this season. There just isn't room for all of them. Barron likewise seems like he might not be in the longterm cards, and Mailloux is making a push to get some NHL ice time now. Kovacevic seems to have fallen out of favor. So who knows. There are a decent number of guys who could in theory go, but I think the likeliest thing is Hughes not trading anyone this deadline and waiting til the off-season to make his re-shuffle. Of the D men here, Kovacevic is IMO the player most likely to be dealt but only for something like a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick.
In net, I would have personally given serious thought to trading Montembeault given the potential for a a better return. But then he went and signed his extension, and Hughes said he wasn't trading him. So that would probably need to take a monster offer to change that line of thought. I think they see him as the short-term #1. Now Primeau could still go in a trade, but I can't see any contender thinking to themselves that he's a guy they'd want to ride in the playoffs. There just isn't enough experience there, and I think his value is higher to us by keeping him or to a rebuilding team that wants a young goalie (which is not the type of trade we're likely to make as a deadline deal). So if a deal happens this season, I expect Allen is still the most likely to go now, though I also think using Primeau as a 1A and Allen as his veteran back-up would have been an okay plan too. Right now, I think Monty is being overrated by many, particularly a lot of the French media who seem to have anointed him a top 10 goalie in the league based on a small sample size. So while I think he's been our best goalie this year, I don't see him as a franchise cornerstone just yet.
According to the Fourth Period, here’s the Habs asking price for Sean Monahan. The price for Monahan (24 points $1.985M cap hit) is a first-round pick or a second-round pick Plus a prospect. Seems fair enough if HUGO can get it? |
|
|
|
Post by electron58 on Jan 16, 2024 6:40:51 GMT
/photo/1
Interesting diatribe.......
|
|
|
|
Post by ramcharger440 on Jan 17, 2024 16:46:37 GMT
Getting pretty sick of the endless clickbait trade destination headlines about Monahan and Allen! It is lazy! there is other stuff to write about other than fantasy trade that the writers have no proof off just an opinion! Some of the writers should know better if they want to be considered journalists!
|
|
