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Post by maasart on Jun 19, 2024 23:51:20 GMT
👆 That’s what someone mentioned on TSN , trying to help Ovi get the record . But Has anyone seen Ovi this summer . He better start training NOW Talk about putting on a little extra pounds 🤦♂️🤣 he's just a weird beast. he came to camp last year looking DONE. He played what, 45 games & scored 8 goals? Then he finished the year with 23 goals in his last 32-34 games or something! I think he'll likely break the record but it would be crazy to be a caps fan & realize they're basically putting the rebuild on hold for one guy's personal record. |
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Post by graeme on Jun 20, 2024 2:28:19 GMT
I don't mind this for the Caps over the next 3 seasons - a few million extra compared to Kuemper. The problem is the 4 years after that (yes cap will be rising, but still). Taking on 7 years of PLD at a relatively high cap hit without retention is ... a decision.
There likely wasn't a trade that made sense for Montreal here. Gallagher or Anderson for PLD would be reasonable tradeoff over next few seasons, but those deals expire in 3 years. Realistically, LA wasn't retaining anywhere near 50% (at that point, a buyout or just seeing if he can rebound next year make more sense), but even so, I'm not sure Montreal wants to be on the hook to pay PLD 4+ million 7 years from now.
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Post by maasart on Jun 20, 2024 16:45:38 GMT
I don't mind this for the Caps over the next 3 seasons - a few million extra compared to Kuemper. The problem is the 4 years after that (yes cap will be rising, but still). Taking on 7 years of PLD at a relatively high cap hit without retention is ... a decision. There likely wasn't a trade that made sense for Montreal here. Gallagher or Anderson for PLD would be reasonable tradeoff over next few seasons, but those deals expire in 3 years. Realistically, LA wasn't retaining anywhere near 50% (at that point, a buyout or just seeing if he can rebound next year make more sense), but even so, I'm not sure Montreal wants to be on the hook to pay PLD 4+ million 7 years from now. Yeah, the only way this deal would make sense for the habs (with no retention) would have been if the team was really confident they could make PLD an $8m player. last year he was a $3-4m guy and maybe even less if you consider the off ice stuff. you just cant afford to overpay guys on high end contracts. Gallagher and Anderson are bad enough but PLD would be really really risky. like you said, makes some sense for Washington and almost guarantees Ovechkin will break the goal record during his current contract (2 more years, needs 41 goals) |
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 23, 2024 19:59:16 GMT
Multiple sources reporting Michkov has been granted his release and will play in the NHL next year for Philadelphia. 3-year ELC has been sent over to his agents and is expected to be signed imminently. So much for the Russian factor coming into play... yet again, we're seeing evidence that the best Russian players all end up wanting to come to the NHL and play for the teams that drafted them, while the American collegiate players are the ones most likely to cause you headaches.
Does this end up affecting the draft at all? Do Russians like Demidov, Chernyshov, Silayev, And Antomonov now not slide as much because teams are even more reassured? Conversely, do Gauthier and McGroarty forcing trades cause teams to hesitate with collegiate players, especially the small-market and Canadian teams?
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Post by graeme on Jun 23, 2024 20:28:35 GMT
Multiple sources reporting Michkov has been granted his release and will play in the NHL next year for Philadelphia. 3-year ELC has been sent over to his agents and is expected to be signed imminently. So much for the Russian factor coming into play... yet again, we're seeing evidence that the best Russian players all end up wanting to come to the NHL and play for the teams that drafted them, while the American collegiate players are the ones most likely to cause you headaches. Does this end up affecting the draft at all? Do Russians like Demidov, Chernyshov, Silayev, And Antomonov now not slide as much because teams are even more reassured? Conversely, do Gauthier and McGroarty forcing trades cause teams to hesitate with collegiate players, especially the small-market and Canadian teams? I don't think the primary risk is players "not wanting to come to the NHL" so much as their Russian team or government not wanting them to come play in the NHL, given they have ways to exert pressure that isn't a concern in more democratic countries. Michkov only ended up playing 1 game for SKA, so it's possible they weren't too upset with him leaving.
My guess is Michkov doesn't change a whole lot with Demidov. Unlike Michkov's situation, he never had the "3 year" concern (and it was never clear if that's why Michkov fell in the first place), plus there doesn't seem to be any doubt about his desire to play in the NHL. The risk is more if SKA tries to force him to extend. Or less critically, letting him linger in the MHL (not a deal-breaker, but also not ideal to burn a year of development). Perhaps the signing makes it slightly more likely teams think they can get Demidov to North America this summer rather than waiting a year, but otherwise I don't think much has changed.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 23, 2024 21:18:14 GMT
Multiple sources reporting Michkov has been granted his release and will play in the NHL next year for Philadelphia. 3-year ELC has been sent over to his agents and is expected to be signed imminently. So much for the Russian factor coming into play... yet again, we're seeing evidence that the best Russian players all end up wanting to come to the NHL and play for the teams that drafted them, while the American collegiate players are the ones most likely to cause you headaches. Does this end up affecting the draft at all? Do Russians like Demidov, Chernyshov, Silayev, And Antomonov now not slide as much because teams are even more reassured? Conversely, do Gauthier and McGroarty forcing trades cause teams to hesitate with collegiate players, especially the small-market and Canadian teams? I don't think the primary risk is players "not wanting to come to the NHL" so much as their Russian team or government not wanting them to come play in the NHL, given they have ways to exert pressure that isn't a concern in more democratic countries. Michkov only ended up playing 1 game for SKA, so it's possible they weren't too upset with him leaving.
My guess is Michkov doesn't change a whole lot with Demidov. Unlike Michkov's situation, he never had the "3 year" concern (and it was never clear if that's why Michkov fell in the first place), plus there doesn't seem to be any doubt about his desire to play in the NHL. The risk is more if SKA tries to force him to extend. Or less critically, letting him linger in the MHL (not a deal-breaker, but also not ideal to burn a year of development). Perhaps the signing makes it slightly more likely teams think they can get Demidov to North America this summer rather than waiting a year, but otherwise I don't think much has changed.
May not change much of the logistics, but it may well change perception, and that's a big thing for GMs. Again, not just talking about Demidov but all of the Russians in the draft... the fact a Miroshnichenko came over easily and now Michkov, who was rumored to be one of the hardest to get over here quickly, might change things for how GMs look at this. A lot of them make decisions based on perception... they never want to look like they made the risky decision. They take the bigger players, they take the ones who are gritty, but they shy away from the smaller scorers or the ones where it's perceived as more of a gamble. The US vs. Russia story exemplifies this. In practice, there's been very little issue with getting Russian players over here, but people in North America like to blow up the political angle. Conversely, GMs seem to have no fear picking US collegiate players, even though those have historically caused more issues. But if it happens, they blame it on the player changing their minds or being hard-headed and no one blames the GM for having taken a risk. But if a GM takes a Russian, there's a whole "he should have known Russia always causes us problems" or "Russia is a gamble." A lot of people ignore facts and like to run with narratives if it fits their storyline. So maybe Michkov signing gives a GM the guts to pick a Demidov whereas before they wouldn't have. M2C.
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Post by RCAF48 on Jun 23, 2024 21:51:06 GMT
My "Russian factor" is not will they come and play, I always assume they will, their government, their former teams and the player all like the money they they will receive as a result. My Russian factor since 2020 is trying to determine how good they really are. . I see little or no problem drafting players from Canada, the USA or Europe playing NCAA hockey since they are easier to scout and their level of competition. unlike the MHL, is a measurable factor. As to NCAA players causing you more headaches then Russian players that is debatable. Even taking the possible Bratva interference and possible future government sanctions etc, etc out of the equation you still have the KHL factor enter into every contract negotiation. The KHL also provides Russian players more leverage over who drafts them than the CHL player and the NCAA player. If I believed a Russian player was 15+% better than the North American player available I would draft the Russian but since I remain unconvinced that Demidov is that much better than the available crop of players currently playing in North America I would take a pass on him. Hopefully HUGO have all the relevant information they need to make an informed decision and if Demidov is our draft choice I won't compare Lindstrom's or Iginla's stats to his more than twice a week  |
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Post by graeme on Jun 23, 2024 23:02:01 GMT
The US vs. Russia story exemplifies this. In practice, there's been very little issue with getting Russian players over here, but people in North America like to blow up the political angle.
I don't know about this part - yes most players have eventually made it but there have been some issues and close calls lately like Fedotov and Kaprizov, and the political situation may get worse before it gets better. IMO the previously small risk has gotten larger due to the war. To your point, all prospects have some level of risk, so that's not a reason not to take them - it's just one point against (added to risks from limited scouting/familiarity, and lack of control over their development). I agree that similar analysis should be played to college players.
With that said, I question how much players have really fallen due to the "Russian factor". People will point to Michkov, but there's a correlation != causation issue there. A couple things I find interesting is he wasn't even the first Russian (under contract - granted one year less than Michkov) taken in the draft, plus the fact it sure looked like in the draft videos Montreal management was fine with the risk and it was the scouts (who wouldn't be blamed for inability to sign a prospect) who were against it.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 25, 2024 21:55:12 GMT
A disappointing HHOF vote today IMO. A few things I didn't like:
1. Colin Campbell gets in as a builder. This is literally just people patting him on the back for holding a title with the league. He's been absolute crap as an NHL executive. Under his watch, the league was biased in favor of his son's team and he refused to address suspensions, dirty hits, and concussions properly. I don't know what he's done to actually advance the position of the league.
2. Roenick is also a guy I don't like going into the hall. A dynamic point producer but not a guy who really stood out as a generational player for me and certainly didn't bring his teams to great heights. If we're looking at other players in the same range as him for era-adjusted points, you'll find some who are not in the hall like Damphousse, Brind'Amour (a more deserving honoree IMO), Eric Staal, Ray Whitney, and Claude Giroux. Some of those guys actually led their teams to Cups. Not a fan of this choice.
3. Happy for Shea Weber that he got in, and he probably has the resume based on his overall career and international play, but I'm surprised he made it in as a 1st-ballot guy. As usual, I think this is based on reputation with him rather than performance alone. Again, possibly a hall of famer overall but not enough of a sure thing for me to warrant getting in on the first try while other players wait. If Weber gets in, I think Carey Price would have to be a lock in his first year of eligibility... Price likewise never won a Cup but was more valuable to his teams, has personal hardware, and was just as good if not better outside the NHL (international but also junior and AHL).
4. Mogilny snubbed once again despite having a better resume than just about everyone who got in. I do like the Datsyuk choice though.
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Post by claremont on Jun 27, 2024 21:40:16 GMT
Rangers asking RHD Trouba for his 15 team NO trade list - $8m for 2 more years. I doubt we have interest in the 30 year old dman that hits like a truck but not sure Trouba is a problem in NY
He would be a great 2 year stop gap for the Habs assuming we would have to give up a Matheson + something minor
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 27, 2024 22:17:18 GMT
Rangers asking RHD Trouba for his 15 team NO trade list - $8m for 2 more years. I doubt we have interest in the 30 year old dman that hits like a truck but not sure Trouba is a problem in NY He would be a great 2 year stop gap for the Habs assuming we would have to give up a Matheson + something minor Not interested. Overrated and one of the dirtiest players in the league. Hard pass. |
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Post by BigTed3 on Jun 28, 2024 0:20:16 GMT
Capitals have added Mangiapane from the Flames for a 2025 2nd rounder. Caps added PLD already, so sounds like they're trying to surround Ovechkin for a post-season run, whereas Calgary continues to unload players...
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Post by claremont on Jun 29, 2024 21:30:34 GMT
Surprised the Habs didn’t make an offer for Devils Alexander Holz. Kind of thought Vegas got him for some cheap assets.
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Post by regis on Jun 30, 2024 13:36:49 GMT
Penguins acquire Kevin Hayes ( 32 yrs old ) and 2025 2nd rounder from St. Louis for future considerations
Pittsburgh now has 12 players that are 30 + years of age
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Post by regis on Jun 30, 2024 17:44:15 GMT
Max domi
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$3.75 m with YOUR Toronto maple leafs 🤣
Now he can do like his father , appear EVERY where in the city
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Post by HTL on Jun 30, 2024 17:54:45 GMT
Max domi 4 years $15. M $3.75 m with YOUR Toronto maple leafs 🤣 Now he can do like his father , appear EVERY where in the city When he was a Hab i was glad to see him gone. They deserve each other IMO. |
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Post by regis on Jun 30, 2024 18:37:57 GMT
Tampa bay acquires the rights to Jake guentzel from Carolina
Sending a 2025. 3 rd pick
The leafs acquire the rights to Chris tanev ( trevling says he’s an Elite defensive player one of the top shut down defend men in the league
oilers place jack Campbell on unconditional waivers for purposes of buying him out
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 1, 2024 2:27:10 GMT
Max domi 4 years $15. M $3.75 m with YOUR Toronto maple leafs 🤣 Now he can do like his father , appear EVERY where in the city When he was a Hab i was glad to see him gone. They deserve each other IMO.
Yup. Thought he was a decent guy off the ice but on the ice he just took a ton of stupid, selfish penalties.
FWIW, Toronto seems to have prioritized signing Domi and Tanev and will let Bertuzzi walk. Leafs fans are still hopeful they'll sign Stamkos, but I feel like that would require moving Marner first...
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Post by regis on Jul 1, 2024 4:12:59 GMT
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Post by electron58 on Jul 1, 2024 8:11:47 GMT
Another UFA signed. The Florida Panthers re-signed star forward Sam Reinhart to a maximum-term eight-year extension on Sunday night.
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