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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 6, 2024 4:01:57 GMT
Made it to the game tonight and a few thoughts from seeing the team live:
- The new Evans-Slaf-Newhook line looked good. Lots of chances and they took the puck to the middle of the ice. Slaf looked aggressive again, first time in a while. - The Anderson-Gally duo also looked good. - I liked what I saw from Heineman, even though it didn't lead to anything big. But he's a hard worker and he uses his size to his advantage. Armia and Kapanen also looked alright as individuals, though that line just didn't get as a group. - Something still off about the Suzuki line too. Like the rest of the team, they had a good first period, but the play there seemed disjointed. I often felt the trio didn't know what their linemates were going to do. They threw pucks to areas where they expected their teammates to be and they weren't. - The differences in the D pairings was striking. Hutson-Savard was terrific, but it was the only duo that played consistently well. Matheson had a couple of hiccups, but overall he was reasonably good too. Guhle struggled tonight, and there were a few instances where he got the puck along the boards in his own zone and it cost him that he was playing the wrong side. He would get the puck on his backhand and hesitate feeding the puck in that direction, either eating the puck or trying to reverse his stick to make his move. I didn't notice that as much on tv, but he's not 100% comfortable on that off-wing. And then Struble-Xhekaj was not good to me, but it was hard to know which guy was making up for the other one. Xhekaj was slow with the puck on a few occasions. I felt like he was more comfortable and made quicker decisions last year. This year, he seems more hesitant. From Struble's end, I felt like he tried to keep his game more simple last year, whereas this year, he's making things more complicated for himself. But that duo struggled to play a clean game.
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Post by RCAF48 on Nov 6, 2024 16:48:26 GMT
Kapanen sent home. Condotta recalled.
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Post by regis on Nov 6, 2024 17:08:28 GMT
Kapanen sent home. Condotta recalled. That’s going to make no difference to the on ice product wonder what Roy did or didnt do to get over looked
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Post by HTL on Nov 6, 2024 17:40:52 GMT
Kapanen sent home. Condotta recalled. Probably just means Pez pencils into the lineup more often.
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Post by HTL on Nov 6, 2024 17:42:59 GMT
I'm actually not surprised about the move with Kapanen. He really didn't do much of anything to warrant being in the NHL. As i mentioned earlier,,,,reminds me too much of Ylonen. I am somewhat surprised Roy isn't getting another shot, even though he did very little with his last one.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 6, 2024 18:14:01 GMT
Projected NHL standings at The Athletic have us finishing 3rd last on 73 points, ahead of only SJ (67 pts) and Ana (66 pts). Interestingly, Calgary is being projected 12th-last at 85 pts, but only 1 point ahead of Buffalo and Pittsburgh. If the Calgary pick is outside the top 10, we get it instead of the Florida one (currently projected as 31st overall). So right now, we're conceivably looking at something like pick 3 and 12.
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Post by maasart on Nov 6, 2024 21:04:41 GMT
I'm actually not surprised about the move with Kapanen. He really didn't do much of anything to warrant being in the NHL. As i mentioned earlier,,,,reminds me too much of Ylonen. I am somewhat surprised Roy isn't getting another shot, even though he did very little with his last one. Im more hopeful with Kapanen & I suspect that in both his - and Roy's - cases the team has certain things they want them to work on that they cant do in the NHL. Its rare that a player can learn (properly) on the spot in the NHL - Slafkovsky and Hutson are two recent guys that are/did but clearly, both on a different level. With guys like Condotta you know what you're getting so he's more of a warm body at this point. Will be curious if they call up Mailloux again at some point or just let him dominate in the AHL & call up someone like Lindstrom instead.
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Post by claremont on Nov 6, 2024 21:33:11 GMT
Projected NHL standings at The Athletic have us finishing 3rd last on 73 points, ahead of only SJ (67 pts) and Ana (66 pts). Interestingly, Calgary is being projected 12th-last at 85 pts, but only 1 point ahead of Buffalo and Pittsburgh. If the Calgary pick is outside the top 10, we get it instead of the Florida one (currently projected as 31st overall). So right now, we're conceivably looking at something like pick 3 and 12. I would love to see Calgary finish in pick slots 11-15, and I believe there is a high probability that will occur. I am not too enthused about finishing 3rd last - the fan base including myself wants to see some progression. Who knows what will happen at the trade deadline on some of our vets, and the return of Laine should give us some more traction. A lot of noise on the depth / quality of our prospect pool and echo some previous posts that prospects are just prospects until you see a trajectory. Look at Buffalo and all their picks and prospects, and they haven't put anything together of note as Cozens (0 time in AHL), Krebs (1/4 season in AHL), Kulich (2 seasons in AHL) Benson (0 time in AHL) and Quinn (1 season in AHL) are all crashing. On the positive note, finally starting to see some upward potential in Laval and I hope Pascal Vincent can continue the development there. It is too early to view next year's draft, but our RHD stud won't be found in this year's pool. We would be wise to pick up some size / scoring / skating forwards in a Martone, Misa, Frondell, McQueen but by all reports it is not a deep draft.
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Post by habsology on Nov 7, 2024 13:42:12 GMT
It's funny that you mention "settling" for Willander. At the draft, he was the D-man that I wanted over Rienbacher. The plus side would be that he already has played with Hutson, so there should be some previous chemistry there. Yeah Id love to add Tom Willander. Im not sure what the cost would be. Having a RHD of Reinbacher, Willander, Mailloux and Barron (to complement our LHD of Hutson, Guhle, Struble and Xhekaj) would be very very exciting. Im guessing someone like Newhook + would have to go the other way tbh. I would be willing to part with Newhook, Barron, and the Calgary 1st for him.
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Post by regis on Nov 7, 2024 14:05:24 GMT
Projected NHL standings at The Athletic have us finishing 3rd last on 73 points, ahead of only SJ (67 pts) and Ana (66 pts). Interestingly, Calgary is being projected 12th-last at 85 pts, but only 1 point ahead of Buffalo and Pittsburgh. If the Calgary pick is outside the top 10, we get it instead of the Florida one (currently projected as 31st overall). So right now, we're conceivably looking at something like pick 3 and 12. Pick 3 and 12 sounds nice but after 3 years picking in the top 5 , and no offence to Mr Slafkovsky , those picks probably won’t help immediately , so I’m not going getting excited about how high or how many picks we got 🥱🥱. It’s like getting excited because I got two Lotto Max tickets instead if 1 for this Friday’s draw 🤣 I wanna see some on ice improvement not what we’re seeing this year
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Post by maasart on Nov 7, 2024 17:06:31 GMT
Projected NHL standings at The Athletic have us finishing 3rd last on 73 points, ahead of only SJ (67 pts) and Ana (66 pts). Interestingly, Calgary is being projected 12th-last at 85 pts, but only 1 point ahead of Buffalo and Pittsburgh. If the Calgary pick is outside the top 10, we get it instead of the Florida one (currently projected as 31st overall). So right now, we're conceivably looking at something like pick 3 and 12. Pick 3 and 12 sounds nice but after 3 years picking in the top 5 , and no offence to Mr Slafkovsky , those picks probably won’t help immediately , so I’m not going getting excited about how high or how many picks we got 🥱🥱. It’s like getting excited because I got two Lotto Max tickets instead if 1 for this Friday’s draw 🤣 I wanna see some on ice improvement not what we’re seeing this year I think adding Demidov next year will help with the blow but you're right, unless that #3 turns into #1, its unlikely we'll see help from either in the next 2 years.
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Post by regis on Nov 8, 2024 3:54:56 GMT
After the NJ game
Last in the division Last in the conference Tied for 2 nd last in the league
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Post by ramcharger440 on Nov 8, 2024 4:20:39 GMT
Yeah we all know.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Nov 8, 2024 13:24:52 GMT
Kapanen sent home. Condotta recalled. That’s going to make no difference to the on ice product wonder what Roy did or didnt do to get over looked I suppose it's possible they prefer him to help lead the Rocket given that he's not gonna turn around our fortunes in Montreal. I really thought he was gonna make the team out of camp, but... Right now, I'm fine with him having success in Laval since the parent club is not doing well.
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Post by regis on Nov 10, 2024 1:45:34 GMT
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 10, 2024 2:34:44 GMT
For the first time, it seems like MSL is running out of cards to play to get his team going. At least last year, it felt like the team was playing reasonably well and improving over time. Suzuki had a career year. Slafkovsky took a big jump. Matheson had a career year. There were at least some signs that were promising for the future. This year, it feels like a lot of stagnation. So ultimately, while we weren't going to be a Cup contender and while results of the games aren't necessarily the most important thing, you want to feel like progress is being made on the ice, and it isn't right now. There's a lot of sloppy hockey. So what cards does MSL have to play while we wait for Laine's return? Here are a couple of options:
1. I've said it before, but I think he needs to split up Suzuki and Caufield. This should have happened long ago, but you can't really afford to bench either guy, yet both have underwhelmed in terms of their overall games and defensive play. Their line is getting dominated on a nightly basis. We know they're buddies, but splitting them up may get their attention and likely earns one of them better match-ups. I'd like to see CC with Dach again. Maybe you reunite the entire trio of CC-Dach-Slaf. Maybe you keep Slaf with Suzuki. But I think Caufield's got to be moved off the Suzuki line. I think Gallagher has earned a try in the top 6, and I still like the idea of giving Heineman another look there too. Those are two of the harder-working bottom 6 players, so it's also a nice way to reward guys playing well. So whether it's Heineman-Suzuki-Slaf and CC-Dach-Gallagher or Heineman-Suzuki-Gallagher and CC-Dach-Slaf, I think you need to try that as your top 6.
2. Benching a veteran. Dvorak is the guy who comes to mind here. Again, hard to take a top player like Suzuki or CC out. Anderson and Gallagher are giving you an honest effort, as is Evans. Armia has been a scapeegot before. So Dvorak makes the most sense, and he's not a guy in the longterm plans here anyways. On the back end, I think you could do the same with a Savard or Matheson if it came to that.
3. Recall a player. Joshua Roy is maybe the only guy worth a recall right now who could shake up the top 6 while you wait for Laine. There's room to make it work. None of Newhook, Armia, or Evans has shown they deserve to be in the top 6, so it leaves the door open here.
4. Change the PP. A lot of guys see this as their reward or sometimes they see it as something they're owed for their pedigrees. But there are players lower down the line-up who have earned more ice time than some of the first-wave guys. That first unit has been inconsistent and not very creative. Hutson for Matheson seems like an easy option. Again, Gallagher or Heineman for Dach seems like another. Xhekaj on the 2nd wave for his big shot could be another. But without benching a vet completely, cutting their PP time could be an attention-getter.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Nov 10, 2024 3:25:53 GMT
For the first time, it seems like MSL is running out of cards to play to get his team going. At least last year, it felt like the team was playing reasonably well and improving over time. Suzuki had a career year. Slafkovsky took a big jump. Matheson had a career year. There were at least some signs that were promising for the future. This year, it feels like a lot of stagnation. So ultimately, while we weren't going to be a Cup contender and while results of the games aren't necessarily the most important thing, you want to feel like progress is being made on the ice, and it isn't right now. There's a lot of sloppy hockey. So what cards does MSL have to play while we wait for Laine's return? Here are a couple of options: 1. I've said it before, but I think he needs to split up Suzuki and Caufield. This should have happened long ago, but you can't really afford to bench either guy, yet both have underwhelmed in terms of their overall games and defensive play. Their line is getting dominated on a nightly basis. We know they're buddies, but splitting them up may get their attention and likely earns one of them better match-ups. I'd like to see CC with Dach again. Maybe you reunite the entire trio of CC-Dach-Slaf. Maybe you keep Slaf with Suzuki. But I think Caufield's got to be moved off the Suzuki line. I think Gallagher has earned a try in the top 6, and I still like the idea of giving Heineman another look there too. Those are two of the harder-working bottom 6 players, so it's also a nice way to reward guys playing well. So whether it's Heineman-Suzuki-Slaf and CC-Dach-Gallagher or Heineman-Suzuki-Gallagher and CC-Dach-Slaf, I think you need to try that as your top 6. 2. Benching a veteran. Dvorak is the guy who comes to mind here. Again, hard to take a top player like Suzuki or CC out. Anderson and Gallagher are giving you an honest effort, as is Evans. Armia has been a scapeegot before. So Dvorak makes the most sense, and he's not a guy in the longterm plans here anyways. On the back end, I think you could do the same with a Savard or Matheson if it came to that. 3. Recall a player. Joshua Roy is maybe the only guy worth a recall right now who could shake up the top 6 while you wait for Laine. There's room to make it work. None of Newhook, Armia, or Evans has shown they deserve to be in the top 6, so it leaves the door open here. 4. Change the PP. A lot of guys see this as their reward or sometimes they see it as something they're owed for their pedigrees. But there are players lower down the line-up who have earned more ice time than some of the first-wave guys. That first unit has been inconsistent and not very creative. Hutson for Matheson seems like an easy option. Again, Gallagher or Heineman for Dach seems like another. Xhekaj on the 2nd wave for his big shot could be another. But without benching a vet completely, cutting their PP time could be an attention-getter. Yeah, something has to give here! we are at the point where this is hurting the team and could ruin some of the young guys for a while! MSL seems to be floundering he keeps moving guys around but at some point you have to pick some guys and just fight through it! I for one would put Slaf back with Nick and CC they were a force last season and did not forget how to play over the summer! Dach needs to get back to center and put on his big boy pants and figure it out! once Laine gets back he will probably be the center of the second line anyways so let him get settled into the roll now so he is ready when the time comes. Dvorak just does not have it at all make some kind of move for him even if we picked up an older vet who is solid on face offs and can help steady our younger centers for the rest of the season it would be better than a floater who does not want to be here! What is the problem with this team and Roy? he is an NHL player he has shown he can do it get his but up here! he produced more that Heineman has and Armia is still and pretty much always has been a pylon unless you actually are in the playoffs then he seems to switch on? and MSL is going to have to get it together or he may have a bit of a talking to from above! they may all be buddies but this is not some backwoods PEE WEE team people are watching and they are getting pissed!
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Post by habsalways on Nov 10, 2024 3:31:14 GMT
For the first time, it seems like MSL is running out of cards to play to get his team going. At least last year, it felt like the team was playing reasonably well and improving over time. Suzuki had a career year. Slafkovsky took a big jump. Matheson had a career year. There were at least some signs that were promising for the future. This year, it feels like a lot of stagnation. So ultimately, while we weren't going to be a Cup contender and while results of the games aren't necessarily the most important thing, you want to feel like progress is being made on the ice, and it isn't right now. There's a lot of sloppy hockey. So what cards does MSL have to play while we wait for Laine's return? Here are a couple of options: 1. I've said it before, but I think he needs to split up Suzuki and Caufield. This should have happened long ago, but you can't really afford to bench either guy, yet both have underwhelmed in terms of their overall games and defensive play. Their line is getting dominated on a nightly basis. We know they're buddies, but splitting them up may get their attention and likely earns one of them better match-ups. I'd like to see CC with Dach again. Maybe you reunite the entire trio of CC-Dach-Slaf. Maybe you keep Slaf with Suzuki. But I think Caufield's got to be moved off the Suzuki line. I think Gallagher has earned a try in the top 6, and I still like the idea of giving Heineman another look there too. Those are two of the harder-working bottom 6 players, so it's also a nice way to reward guys playing well. So whether it's Heineman-Suzuki-Slaf and CC-Dach-Gallagher or Heineman-Suzuki-Gallagher and CC-Dach-Slaf, I think you need to try that as your top 6. 2. Benching a veteran. Dvorak is the guy who comes to mind here. Again, hard to take a top player like Suzuki or CC out. Anderson and Gallagher are giving you an honest effort, as is Evans. Armia has been a scapeegot before. So Dvorak makes the most sense, and he's not a guy in the longterm plans here anyways. On the back end, I think you could do the same with a Savard or Matheson if it came to that. 3. Recall a player. Joshua Roy is maybe the only guy worth a recall right now who could shake up the top 6 while you wait for Laine. There's room to make it work. None of Newhook, Armia, or Evans has shown they deserve to be in the top 6, so it leaves the door open here. 4. Change the PP. A lot of guys see this as their reward or sometimes they see it as something they're owed for their pedigrees. But there are players lower down the line-up who have earned more ice time than some of the first-wave guys. That first unit has been inconsistent and not very creative. Hutson for Matheson seems like an easy option. Again, Gallagher or Heineman for Dach seems like another. Xhekaj on the 2nd wave for his big shot could be another. But without benching a vet completely, cutting their PP time could be an attention-getter. It almost seems MSL has lost the room to be honest. They play is unorganized, confused and seems to consist of literally running around the ice like the keystone cops. Bieksa thinks otherwise, he says they seem to be playing hard. I'm not so sure. They just don't seem to be playing with any kind of plan and I'm seeing a lot of half hearted efforts at backchecking, forechecking etc. Given the talent/potential of the players we have in the top 6, its shocking really but this looks as bad as the early 2000s teams. As to the PP, yeah ... Evans, Slaf, Gallagher up front ... Hutson/Wifi on the point maybe.
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Post by regis on Nov 10, 2024 6:02:30 GMT
In case anyone cares , we’ve “ almost “ hit bottom
Tied for last in the league points wise with SJ and Anaheim
Worst GF. Vs GA differential in league at -23
Most GA in league at 62
You know , not even the return of Patrick Paine is going to fix this
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Post by ramcharger440 on Nov 10, 2024 15:32:28 GMT
Something is wrong here we are not this bad! this is worse than the last two seasons so something has happened to change the dynamic, even when we were losing in the past there was more pushback than there is now! I personally think that they system is not working and the guys are sick of beating a dead horse it may work in the minors but in the NHL with the players we have now it does not! To top things off MSL is doing some odd stuff with lines and ice time that is probably getting under some of the guys skin.
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