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Post by graeme on Jul 3, 2024 15:12:15 GMT
There's some speculation the trade Hughes had lined up had Demidov not been available could have been for McGroarty - presumably it involved us overpaying a bit out of desperation for more forward depth in our pipeline (maybe involving Guhle?), so once we got Demidov, even though McGroaty could still make sense to acquire, it was no longer enough of a priority to overpay. I'd be surprised if we were willing to give up 5 for McGroarty. He's still an unproven, unsigned commodity. I heard some rumors the Canes came close to a deal for a top 7 pick for Necas, and we know they had talks with Columbus about 4 as well as talks with us in general.
Ultimately, I'm not sure how a McGroarty becomes worth a top 5 pick given his situation where the Jets are somewhat forced to trade him AND on a timeline where eventually they just lose him for nothing. IMO, Guhle is worth more than McGroarty and I'd be surprised if we could have traded Guhle to Columbus for pick 4. Is McGroarty worth the same as some of the players we've seen picked top 5 in recent years? I wouldn't trade Reinbacher for him. I wouldn't trade Nemec or Jiricek or Gauthier or Mctavish for him. He's a recent 14th pick who's demanded a trade... IMO, that gets you a mid-1st round pick back plus or minus a slight change since he's progressed well, but no way I'd give up a top 10 pick for him. Pick 26 or pick 21 plus a prospect or young player would be the best offer I'd make, and to me, it's not really contingent on Demidov since we had multiple holes in our top 6 and they play different styles of game.
I believe Hughes said the deal he had lined up didn't involve the 5th overall pick. Presumably we would have used 5th on a dman and then executed the trade for a winger.
No guarantee it was Mcgroaty - could have been Zegras or Necas or whatever, but I've heard a couple folks speculate in the media it may have been Mcgroaty. Also not sure what we were willing to give up, but whatever it was, it was probably a bit of an overpay given we didn't go through with it (Guhle is just me speculating what that might have been)
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Post by maasart on Jul 3, 2024 18:10:40 GMT
I'd be surprised if we were willing to give up 5 for McGroarty. He's still an unproven, unsigned commodity. I heard some rumors the Canes came close to a deal for a top 7 pick for Necas, and we know they had talks with Columbus about 4 as well as talks with us in general.
Ultimately, I'm not sure how a McGroarty becomes worth a top 5 pick given his situation where the Jets are somewhat forced to trade him AND on a timeline where eventually they just lose him for nothing. IMO, Guhle is worth more than McGroarty and I'd be surprised if we could have traded Guhle to Columbus for pick 4. Is McGroarty worth the same as some of the players we've seen picked top 5 in recent years? I wouldn't trade Reinbacher for him. I wouldn't trade Nemec or Jiricek or Gauthier or Mctavish for him. He's a recent 14th pick who's demanded a trade... IMO, that gets you a mid-1st round pick back plus or minus a slight change since he's progressed well, but no way I'd give up a top 10 pick for him. Pick 26 or pick 21 plus a prospect or young player would be the best offer I'd make, and to me, it's not really contingent on Demidov since we had multiple holes in our top 6 and they play different styles of game.
I believe Hughes said the deal he had lined up didn't involve the 5th overall pick. Presumably we would have used 5th on a dman and then executed the trade for a winger.
No guarantee it was Mcgroaty - could have been Zegras or Necas or whatever, but I've heard a couple folks speculate in the media it may have been Mcgroaty. Also not sure what we were willing to give up, but whatever it was, it was probably a bit of an overpay given we didn't go through with it (Guhle is just me speculating what that might have been)
Yeah, with guys like Demidov, Lindstrom, Iginla, Parekh etc available at fifth I would have been shocked to see us trade it - unless we got like 7-8th back as part of the deal. Im not sure id take McGroaty over Iginla - and certainly wouldnt over Demidov or Lindstrom. Sure, he's further along in his development but we're still not quite there yet anyway. it sounds like Hage was the guy we were targeting (and why we moved up from 26) with possibly one or two other guys we thought might be available at 21 but not at 26. If those guys all got picked, maybe we would have flipped 21 for McGroaty but im still not convinced he'd even sign with us, so who knows.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 5, 2024 23:26:23 GMT
Buffalo has acquired Ryan Mcleod from Edmonton in exchange for Matt Savoie. We all wondered if Buffalo might start parting with some of their smaller skilled forwards, but where this gets interesting for the Habs is that most Buffalo fans are penciling Mcleod in as the 3C and believe Peyton Krebs will now be traded. Krebs, as I have listed several times before, is the exact type of player Hughes has gone after before. He's a guy with a strong pedigree going into his draft year who has struggled to show consistency at the NHL level but appears to be an NHLer. He fits the age bracket Hughes has been trying to build around.
Now Buffalo needs help at RHD. Depending on what they're looking for, I wonder if Krebs for Barron straight up might interest them. Alternatively, if Hughes is willing to part with Savard right away, could he pull Krebs and a draft pick out of Buffalo?
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Post by regis on Jul 6, 2024 0:11:11 GMT
Savard for Krebs AND a draft pick β¦.im buffalo a no thanks . A 23 yr old and a draft pick for a 34 yr old d man they get to use for a year . π
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Post by claremont on Jul 6, 2024 1:30:22 GMT
Buffalo has acquired Ryan Mcleod from Edmonton in exchange for Matt Savoie. We all wondered if Buffalo might start parting with some of their smaller skilled forwards, but where this gets interesting for the Habs is that most Buffalo fans are penciling Mcleod in as the 3C and believe Peyton Krebs will now be traded. Krebs, as I have listed several times before, is the exact type of player Hughes has gone after before. He's a guy with a strong pedigree going into his draft year who has struggled to show consistency at the NHL level but appears to be an NHLer. He fits the age bracket Hughes has been trying to build around. Now Buffalo needs help at RHD. Depending on what they're looking for, I wonder if Krebs for Barron straight up might interest them. Alternatively, if Hughes is willing to part with Savard right away, could he pull Krebs and a draft pick out of Buffalo? I would offer that McLeod could almost be a 4c in the future. Juri Kulich who Iβve always liked appears to be a better goal producer than both McLeod who is almost a bigger clone of Krebs in the goals/points department. Noah Ostlund is a smaller version of Krebs so he would appear to be destined for a 3C / 4C spot, so on the depth chart it would appear Krebs or Ostlund could be on their trade block. Not sure Krebs has much value to us- heβs never been a goal scorer even at the junior level and would be a development project. Does he offer us much more upside over Beck, Evans, Dvorak while we wait for Hage? I could think of better center targets. The offer of Barron for Krebs is somewhat fair but IMO the Savard deal isnβt likely fair to Buffalo
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 6, 2024 2:00:11 GMT
Savard for Krebs AND a draft pick β¦.im buffalo a no thanks . A 23 yr old and a draft pick for a 34 yr old d man they get to use for a year . π
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Absolutely. Krebs was drafted around the same spot in the draft as Newhook but has been a shadow of what Newhook has brought. His production has also been inferior to that of Arthur Kaliyev, who has been rumored to be on the trade block as well for no more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder. His production has been inferior to that of Filip Zadina, who has been through waivers and along the same lines as Ty Dellandrea, who just got traded for a 4th round pick, and Ryan Poehling, who we know was chucked out of here as a throw-in in a trade.
So Krebs' value right now is pretty low, and it will remain low if he sits down the depth chart in Buffalo. I don't think they'd get more than a late 2nd or 3rd rounder for Krebs if they were trading him for a pick, and I absolutely think Savard would be worth two 2nd's or a 2nd and a 3rd as a trade return on his own. So if we say Krebs + a 2nd/3rd round pick for Savard, that seems to me to be pretty fair market value when you look at the comparables.
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Post by regis on Jul 8, 2024 13:33:31 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jul 8, 2024 16:00:15 GMT
Rumours are that Crosby may not resign in Pittsburgh. He has 1 year left at $8.7 and will be 37 to start the year. He's still an elite talent (94 pts in 82 games last year) but obviously no someone we would want to sign long-term.
I wonder if Hughes would have interest in adding him to our top 9 and what it would cost to acquire him before free agency. My guess is that Pittsburgh doesnt even cosnider moving him this year & will let him walk as a free agent but: what if they are out of the playoff picture at the TD and we are a bubble team? I could definitely see Hughes making a play. We know Crosby was a huge habs fan growing up, and while these things almost never work out (he'll likely resign in pittsburgh for 1 or 2 years) you do have to wonder if Hughes has kicked tires on Sid.
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Post by regis on Jul 8, 2024 23:18:38 GMT
π just read on TSN that the penguins and Crosby are closing in on a deal
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Post by graeme on Jul 11, 2024 1:38:14 GMT
Rumours are that Crosby may not resign in Pittsburgh. He has 1 year left at $8.7 and will be 37 to start the year. He's still an elite talent (94 pts in 82 games last year) but obviously no someone we would want to sign long-term. I wonder if Hughes would have interest in adding him to our top 9 and what it would cost to acquire him before free agency. My guess is that Pittsburgh doesnt even cosnider moving him this year & will let him walk as a free agent but: what if they are out of the playoff picture at the TD and we are a bubble team? I could definitely see Hughes making a play. We know Crosby was a huge habs fan growing up, and while these things almost never work out (he'll likely resign in pittsburgh for 1 or 2 years) you do have to wonder if Hughes has kicked tires on Sid. If Crosby didn't want re-sign with the Pens (seems unlikely), it would likely be in order to chase another cup, so I don't see him signing here. As a rental trade: were Crosby to become available, plenty of contending teams will offer a big haul that it would make no sense for us to match given we're not real contender.s
I guess you never know, but seems like a huge stretch that he ends up in Montreal one way or another anytime soon. In 3 years time, if he still has something left in the tank, then maybe it would make a little more sense, but not now.
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Post by BigTed3 on Jul 12, 2024 0:52:48 GMT
A Slovak news outlet is reporting that the Habs offered Mesar, the Flames/Panthers 2025 1t rounder, and a young D man (either Harris or Barron) to Winnipeg for McGroarty and that the Jets said no. I'm not sure I believe this, but if it were true, it would be a dumb move from both Montreal and Winnipeg. That 1st rounder could potentially be a lottery pick that ends up being the most valuable piece in the deal. No way I would give that up AND toss in two young players for one guy who may or may even sign with a Canadian team. IMO, Mesar and Barron or Mesar and Harris would be fine as an offer. Or I would consider one of those two D men + a lottery-protected 1st. This proposal has us giving up too many elements for an unknown quantity.
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Post by maasart on Jul 12, 2024 3:07:42 GMT
A Slovak news outlet is reporting that the Habs offered Mesar, the Flames/Panthers 2025 1t rounder, and a young D man (either Harris or Barron) to Winnipeg for McGroarty and that the Jets said no. I'm not sure I believe this, but if it were true, it would be a dumb move from both Montreal and Winnipeg. That 1st rounder could potentially be a lottery pick that ends up being the most valuable piece in the deal. No way I would give that up AND toss in two young players for one guy who may or may even sign with a Canadian team. IMO, Mesar and Barron or Mesar and Harris would be fine as an offer. Or I would consider one of those two D men + a lottery-protected 1st. This proposal has us giving up too many elements for an unknown quantity. Agree. dont like it & doubt Hughes would have made that offer tbh.
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Post by graeme on Jul 12, 2024 4:53:08 GMT
A Slovak news outlet is reporting that the Habs offered Mesar, the Flames/Panthers 2025 1t rounder, and a young D man (either Harris or Barron) to Winnipeg for McGroarty and that the Jets said no. I'm not sure I believe this, but if it were true, it would be a dumb move from both Montreal and Winnipeg. That 1st rounder could potentially be a lottery pick that ends up being the most valuable piece in the deal. No way I would give that up AND toss in two young players for one guy who may or may even sign with a Canadian team. IMO, Mesar and Barron or Mesar and Harris would be fine as an offer. Or I would consider one of those two D men + a lottery-protected 1st. This proposal has us giving up too many elements for an unknown quantity. On the "who may or may even sign with a Canadian team": I'd assume Montreal would request permission to speak to Mcgroaty before making any significant deal. If they did that and top-10 protected the pick, then it seems not too bad.
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Post by maasart on Jul 12, 2024 16:25:19 GMT
A Slovak news outlet is reporting that the Habs offered Mesar, the Flames/Panthers 2025 1t rounder, and a young D man (either Harris or Barron) to Winnipeg for McGroarty and that the Jets said no. I'm not sure I believe this, but if it were true, it would be a dumb move from both Montreal and Winnipeg. That 1st rounder could potentially be a lottery pick that ends up being the most valuable piece in the deal. No way I would give that up AND toss in two young players for one guy who may or may even sign with a Canadian team. IMO, Mesar and Barron or Mesar and Harris would be fine as an offer. Or I would consider one of those two D men + a lottery-protected 1st. This proposal has us giving up too many elements for an unknown quantity. On the "who may or may even sign with a Canadian team": I'd assume Montreal would request permission to speak to Mcgroaty before making any significant deal. If they did that and top-10 protected the pick, then it seems not too bad.
Agree, they would have worked the contract thing (whether he would sign in Canada) first im sure. But the offer still sounds too rich to me. You're talking a proven NHLer (Harris or Barron have both proved they are, at worst, 3rd pairing guys) + a good prospect & a 1st rounder... McGroarty had some lofty numbers at college but is not a guarantee they will translate to the NHl. Could be McCarron 2.0. Considering Mesar was drafted 10 spots back, i would think Mesar + Harris should be suffiicent. Or Mesar + 2nd Barron. The 3 piece package is something i would expect for a guy who at least has shown he's a bonefide NHLer.
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Post by HTL on Jul 13, 2024 2:11:34 GMT
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Post by regis on Jul 13, 2024 2:24:13 GMT
ππ Someone will trade for him π€¦π»ββοΈ
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Post by claremont on Jul 17, 2024 21:04:21 GMT
Looks like the Necas trade rumor is dead. With Kuznetsov contract being terminated and his impending going to the khl, the Canes have enough cap room to sign Necas and Jarvis. Either one can play wing if thereβs too much competition at center on that team. Canes look pretty strong / deep but not sure if their goaltending is solid enough.
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Post by maasart on Jul 17, 2024 22:47:30 GMT
Looks like the Necas trade rumor is dead. With Kuznetsov contract being terminated and his impending going to the khl, the Canes have enough cap room to sign Necas and Jarvis. Either one can play wing if thereβs too much competition at center on that team. Canes look pretty strong / deep but not sure if their goaltending is solid enough. Im not sure if Kuznetsov makes a huge difference here though. He only played 20 games there and was not very effective. I think the Necas buzz was more to do with him asking for a trade. Now, some rumours suggest that this is because he wants more money than the canes want to give him so if he's looking for $8m+ or something then I wouldnt want him anyway, but its tough to know. I think Carolina sees their centre depth as Aho-Staal-Drury-Jost with Suzuki waiting in the wings. Staal is getting old and Drury/Jost/Kotka are all 3-4th liners most likely. So Necas at #2 WOULD make sense but i still think he wants out. I guess it depeneds on what kind of money they end up offering him
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Post by regis on Jul 17, 2024 23:17:29 GMT
Youβre forgetting about the ever dangerous Jesperi Kotkaniemi at centre ππ€£
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Post by claremont on Jul 17, 2024 23:47:12 GMT
Looks like the Necas trade rumor is dead. With Kuznetsov contract being terminated and his impending going to the khl, the Canes have enough cap room to sign Necas and Jarvis. Either one can play wing if thereβs too much competition at center on that team. Canes look pretty strong / deep but not sure if their goaltending is solid enough. Im not sure if Kuznetsov makes a huge difference here though. He only played 20 games there and was not very effective. I think the Necas buzz was more to do with him asking for a trade. Now, some rumours suggest that this is because he wants more money than the canes want to give him so if he's looking for $8m+ or something then I wouldnt want him anyway, but its tough to know. I think Carolina sees their centre depth as Aho-Staal-Drury-Jost with Suzuki waiting in the wings. Staal is getting old and Drury/Jost/Kotka are all 3-4th liners most likely. So Necas at #2 WOULD make sense but i still think he wants out. I guess it depeneds on what kind of money they end up offering him Canes gain $3.9M in cap space by terminating Kuznetsov with no penalty, and now have $13.9M plus probably $1.6M in relegating 2 other forwards to the minors = $15.5M of cap room. That should be enough to resign Necas and Seth Jarvis. One of them could get an 8 year $8M deal, and the other a $7M deal. Does depend on how they want to juggle it. Some forecast a little less than $8M for each, and maybe one of them takes an odd term 6-7 years to avoid both contracts expiring in the same year. There other alternative still exists - that only 1 of them is chosen and all signs point to Jarvis. My point is the Canes don't seem to have a cap issue now.
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