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Post by maasart on Jul 18, 2024 18:33:35 GMT
Im not sure if Kuznetsov makes a huge difference here though. He only played 20 games there and was not very effective. I think the Necas buzz was more to do with him asking for a trade. Now, some rumours suggest that this is because he wants more money than the canes want to give him so if he's looking for $8m+ or something then I wouldnt want him anyway, but its tough to know. I think Carolina sees their centre depth as Aho-Staal-Drury-Jost with Suzuki waiting in the wings. Staal is getting old and Drury/Jost/Kotka are all 3-4th liners most likely. So Necas at #2 WOULD make sense but i still think he wants out. I guess it depeneds on what kind of money they end up offering him Canes gain $3.9M in cap space by terminating Kuznetsov with no penalty, and now have $13.9M plus probably $1.6M in relegating 2 other forwards to the minors = $15.5M of cap room. That should be enough to resign Necas and Seth Jarvis. One of them could get an 8 year $8M deal, and the other a $7M deal. Does depend on how they want to juggle it. Some forecast a little less than $8M for each, and maybe one of them takes an odd term 6-7 years to avoid both contracts expiring in the same year. There other alternative still exists - that only 1 of them is chosen and all signs point to Jarvis. My point is the Canes don't seem to have a cap issue now. For sure. From a salary stanpoint this helps and they can afford all the players they have now. The question, i guess, is whether Necas & his agent were bluffing & saying they want a trade or if he simply wants more money. If the canes want to pay him $7m and he wants $8, now that they can afford him, they may cave as it would make more sense for their window to keep him rather than dealing him for prospects and picks.
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Post by regis on Jul 28, 2024 21:31:40 GMT
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Post by maasart on Jul 28, 2024 22:31:09 GMT
According to that site, the offer is: Canadiens get: Patrik Laine ($4.4 million retained by Columbus) Blue Jackets get: Sean Farrell Bogdan Konyushkov Canadiens 2025 2nd-Round Pick Canadiens 2026 4th-Round Pick I think Columbus hangs up & never takes a call from Hughes again if thats true. lol. I realize Laine is damaged goods and both sides want a fresh start for him. Maybe - MAYBE - they consider moving him for that return (although i suspect they'd at least want Roy instead of Farrell) but there is not way on other they take that small a return AND retain salary. If they retain 1/2 of Laine's salary then i think we need to give them a least 1 quality player (ideally a LHD) and probably a 1st, not a second.
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Post by HTL on Jul 28, 2024 23:19:04 GMT
According to that site, the offer is: Canadiens get: Patrik Laine ($4.4 million retained by Columbus) Blue Jackets get: Sean Farrell Bogdan Konyushkov Canadiens 2025 2nd-Round Pick Canadiens 2026 4th-Round Pick I think Columbus hangs up & never takes a call from Hughes again if thats true. lol. I realize Laine is damaged goods and both sides want a fresh start for him. Maybe - MAYBE - they consider moving him for that return (although i suspect they'd at least want Roy instead of Farrell) but there is not way on other they take that small a return AND retain salary. If they retain 1/2 of Laine's salary then i think we need to give them a least 1 quality player (ideally a LHD) and probably a 1st, not a second. Certainly seems unrealistic to me. I have very little interest in Laine at full price but at half retained and a couple throw ins it sure seems like a gamble worth taking. Not holding my breath.
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Post by maasart on Jul 29, 2024 17:46:53 GMT
According to that site, the offer is: Canadiens get: Patrik Laine ($4.4 million retained by Columbus) Blue Jackets get: Sean Farrell Bogdan Konyushkov Canadiens 2025 2nd-Round Pick Canadiens 2026 4th-Round Pick I think Columbus hangs up & never takes a call from Hughes again if thats true. lol. I realize Laine is damaged goods and both sides want a fresh start for him. Maybe - MAYBE - they consider moving him for that return (although i suspect they'd at least want Roy instead of Farrell) but there is not way on other they take that small a return AND retain salary. If they retain 1/2 of Laine's salary then i think we need to give them a least 1 quality player (ideally a LHD) and probably a 1st, not a second. Certainly seems unrealistic to me. I have very little interest in Laine at full price but at half retained and a couple throw ins it sure seems like a gamble worth taking. Not holding my breath. Yeah id definitely do it, I just cant see why they would. I do wonder if there's an opportunity for an Anderson for Laine swap (other parts of course) but i dont see them retain much (if any) salary in that case. Some GM out there will take on his full contract & give up a decent pick or prospect imho.
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Post by regis on Aug 5, 2024 16:05:45 GMT
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Post by regis on Aug 6, 2024 20:15:07 GMT
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Post by archey on Aug 6, 2024 20:23:28 GMT
Yeah no outgoing. Meaning wrong personality for MSL right now and they wouldn't take Gallagher and. or Anderson is my guess.
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Post by maasart on Aug 6, 2024 21:24:11 GMT
Yeah no outgoing. Meaning wrong personality for MSL right now and they wouldn't take Gallagher and. or Anderson is my guess. I dont think the personality is an issue but i agree with you that likely we would have wanted someone like Gally going the other way. At 37 Letang is still a top end defensman and as a RHD he could have allowed us to move Savard but i dont think we take on that contract unless we're sending someone with a bad contract to Pittsburgh. Letang has what, 3 more years left at $6.1m? Not terrible this year but what about a year from now if Reinbacher, Mailloux and Barron are all good to go and needing ice-time?
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Post by regis on Aug 7, 2024 15:16:32 GMT
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Post by maasart on Aug 7, 2024 15:46:58 GMT
According to the article, Montreal: Trevor Zegras + a 2nd-round pick Anaheim: Logan Mailloux and the 21st overall pick in the first round (which became Michael Hage). In the end, the Canadiens decided to decline the offer: On paper, thats a great trade for us. Its all conjecture so who knows if it was true, but if it was, for example, a draft day offer, I think if Hage hadnt been available (the team apparently had him ranked much higher) they might have taken it.
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Post by ramcharger440 on Aug 8, 2024 21:44:06 GMT
Not really a rumor but is Yamamoto worth a show me contract? he was a highly regarded pick and seems to have been perhaps misused? he could be a bust but we could have him for next to nothing I would think.
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Post by maasart on Aug 9, 2024 0:01:52 GMT
Not really a rumor but is Yamamoto worth a show me contract? he was a highly regarded pick and seems to have been perhaps misused? he could be a bust but we could have him for next to nothing I would think. Id kick tires. 25, so, young enough to grow with this team, made $1.5m last year so, should be cheap, and has been a roughly 36+ pt player through his career ( 134pts in 303 games) I guess the problem is: if you dont have him pencilled into your top 6, can he be an effective bottom 6 guy? He's very fast & skilled but also really small. Can we afford another sub 5'9" forward?
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Post by ramcharger440 on Aug 9, 2024 2:11:50 GMT
Size is really the main issue for me but he has shown in the past he can play in this league.... tough one for sure.
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Post by BigTed3 on Aug 9, 2024 13:08:33 GMT
Not really a rumor but is Yamamoto worth a show me contract? he was a highly regarded pick and seems to have been perhaps misused? he could be a bust but we could have him for next to nothing I would think. Id kick tires. 25, so, young enough to grow with this team, made $1.5m last year so, should be cheap, and has been a roughly 36+ pt player through his career ( 134pts in 303 games) I guess the problem is: if you dont have him pencilled into your top 6, can he be an effective bottom 6 guy? He's very fast & skilled but also really small. Can we afford another sub 5'9" forward? There were rumors that came out a day or two ago that much of the reason the Habs passed on Michkov was because they felt he was too small and non-physical to play in the same top 6 as Caufield. If that's the case, it means the Habs will be trying to round out their top 6 with someone with size... we count Suzuki, Slaf, CC, Dach, and Demidov as being 5 of the future top 6 right now. That tells me Newhook is a longshot to fill that role. Ditto Mesar. Roy could potentially still make it but he's goign to have to prove he's worth it. Heineman could also fill that role, but he has a ways to go. I don't quite see a fit with Yamomoto. As you said, not really the type of player you'd see as a bottom 6 player, and if we're looking to add another guy to the top 6 who isn't small, then you already have the likes of Beck, Hage, Roy, and Newhook duking it out for 3rd line spots down the line too. What they really need at this point would be a guy like a Ryan Leonard (who won't be available).
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Post by regis on Aug 9, 2024 13:09:01 GMT
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Post by RCAF48 on Aug 13, 2024 0:47:19 GMT
Sportsnet reporting Matthews replacing Tavares as Captain of the Leafs.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Aug 13, 2024 20:35:54 GMT
RE: Laine. Dude just had two back-to-back PPG seasons (2021-22 and 2022-23). Now he only played 50-some games in each of those seasons, but it's nothing to scoff at. He's also only 26. I think he'd be worth the gamble if Hughes can make it work with Columbus. I don't think the Sean Farrell and Bogdan Konyushkov rumour mentioned above moves the needle. Columbus is going to want someone NHL-ready back. Does Columbus have a position of need? We're obviously stocked full of interesting young defenders, but I don't know if Columbus needs that.
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Post by ChiLla on Aug 14, 2024 7:52:50 GMT
RE: Laine. Dude just had two back-to-back PPG seasons (2021-22 and 2022-23). Now he only played 50-some games in each of those seasons, but it's nothing to scoff at. He's also only 26. I think he'd be worth the gamble if Hughes can make it work with Columbus. I don't think the Sean Farrell and Bogdan Konyushkov rumour mentioned above moves the needle. Columbus is going to want someone NHL-ready back. Does Columbus have a position of need? We're obviously stocked full of interesting young defenders, but I don't know if Columbus needs that. I'm not a huge fan of Laine because I think he'll always be the kind of enigmatic player that just leaves you wanting for more. However, he's certainly worth a gamble for the right price IMO (but like you, I don't think the players mentioned are of any interest to CLB in this scenario). I obviously don't like the Cap hit and all the baggage but if we can get Laine for something reasonable, i.e. one of our young LHDs plus a 2nd rounder or something along those lines, he could be a nice fit until Demidov is ready. Laine has only 2 seasons left on his deal, so it's not like we'd be handcuffing ourselves long-term. If he finally manages to put it all together and performs here, we could still trade him at the deadline in year 2 or maybe even extend him... not a bad problem to have plus we clearly have room for another guy with top 6 potential right now.
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Post by maasart on Aug 14, 2024 16:37:15 GMT
RE: Laine. Dude just had two back-to-back PPG seasons (2021-22 and 2022-23). Now he only played 50-some games in each of those seasons, but it's nothing to scoff at. He's also only 26. I think he'd be worth the gamble if Hughes can make it work with Columbus. I don't think the Sean Farrell and Bogdan Konyushkov rumour mentioned above moves the needle. Columbus is going to want someone NHL-ready back. Does Columbus have a position of need? We're obviously stocked full of interesting young defenders, but I don't know if Columbus needs that. Yeah, he's a skilled player and while he would fit in with our age group, i do worry that he's already priced out of our "suzuki cap" so im not sure Hughes would actually go after him. From Columbus' standpoint they likely are looking for a 1st rounder & a high end prospect. I dont see that offer having any interest to them. maybe next year's 1st + Mailloux would get the talks started but i think there's a team out there that is contending now, who think 2 years of laine will put them over the top and would be willing to give up more than we would consider doing.
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