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Post by maasart on Oct 29, 2024 23:01:25 GMT
Wont give up anything that jeopardizes long-term rebuild (ie, nothing of value). Not sure what kind of quality we're going to be able to get by trading Dvo or something. There's Roy on the farm and an extra 1st rounder and also CLB's 2nd rounder ( which should be up there) that we can part with without too much damage along with a number of our current older roster guys that offset cap space. I'd want somebody established that fit's into our 1 to 7 year window before going any deeper than that. Oh sure, there are some pieces but honestly unless there's some locker-room stuff, i dont hink Hughes is interested in moving Roy, Mailloux, Xhekaj or any of the fringe core guys. I guess we'll see. I do agree our second 1st next year (as well as 2nds & such) may well be in play. The Calgary/Florida pick will likely be 3+ years away once drafted so i could see Hughes being more than happy to include that in a key player who is in the 23-26 year old range. |
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Post by BigTed3 on Oct 30, 2024 1:16:37 GMT
There's Roy on the farm and an extra 1st rounder and also CLB's 2nd rounder ( which should be up there) that we can part with without too much damage along with a number of our current older roster guys that offset cap space. I'd want somebody established that fit's into our 1 to 7 year window before going any deeper than that. Oh sure, there are some pieces but honestly unless there's some locker-room stuff, i dont hink Hughes is interested in moving Roy, Mailloux, Xhekaj or any of the fringe core guys. I guess we'll see. I do agree our second 1st next year (as well as 2nds & such) may well be in play. The Calgary/Florida pick will likely be 3+ years away once drafted so i could see Hughes being more than happy to include that in a key player who is in the 23-26 year old range. Although the way things have started for Calgary, that pick could theoretically end up being the 11th overall pick... would be hard to part with that pick without having a better idea of where it's going to land. Late 1st is tradeable. Possible pick int he first round, and the return has got to be more than a spare part to plug a hole. The return would need to be a top 4 RHD who is 26 or younger... |
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Post by claremont on Nov 5, 2024 12:50:27 GMT
I’ll create my own rumor
Simon Nemec has been scratched the last 5 games by the Devils.
Should HuGo pull the trigger and basically vault him over some of our RHD?
Hockey is a business so does he just cannibalize a Savard, Barron, even Mailloux or Reinbacher (out for awhile)?
What would New Jersey need to get it done? Nemec isn’t going play behind Hamilton and Pesce so they aren’t imo developing him properly
Devils could use a 1st rounder - the Calgary pic, Savard as backup to Kovacevic. Newhook would be an upgrade over Tatar. Evans or Dvorak (retention) leave a hole for us. Barron is expendable. I’d give up any of those in a package. Get on the phone HuGo
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Post by maasart on Nov 5, 2024 15:15:05 GMT
I’ll create my own rumor Simon Nemec has been scratched the last 5 games by the Devils. Should HuGo pull the trigger and basically vault him over some of our RHD? Hockey is a business so does he just cannibalize a Savard, Barron, even Mailloux or Reinbacher (out for awhile)? What would New Jersey need to get it done? Nemec isn’t going play behind Hamilton and Pesce so they aren’t imo developing him properly Devils could use a 1st rounder - the Calgary pic, Savard as backup to Kovacevic. Newhook would be an upgrade over Tatar. Evans or Dvorak (retention) leave a hole for us. Barron is expendable. I’d give up any of those in a package. Get on the phone HuGo I think you would have NJ's interest if you offered Newhook, Barron & a pick. |
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Post by ramcharger440 on Nov 5, 2024 18:22:21 GMT
I think HUGO have to decide what they think the issue is first? is it a player problem or a coaching issue brought on by a coach who is stubborn about his hybrid system? perhaps the system is good and we just don't have the right guys to play it or we have good players in the wrong chairs? right now there is so much confusion on the ice in our own end that it is killing us and we can't win like that! Fact is to make it to the NHL you pretty much had to be a star player somewhere you don't forget how to play just like that but if you are being forced to play in a way that goes against everything you did before it is like starting over! another issue is the constant line changes and pulling developing players in and out of the lineup! kind of reminds me of the guy MSL replaced! The players don't want to lose but if this keeps up we will start to slip into that kind of lost zone like some other teams on rebuilds!
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Post by regis on Nov 5, 2024 18:27:55 GMT
I’ll create my own rumor Simon Nemec has been scratched the last 5 games by the Devils. Should HuGo pull the trigger and basically vault him over some of our RHD? Hockey is a business so does he just cannibalize a Savard, Barron, even Mailloux or Reinbacher (out for awhile)? What would New Jersey need to get it done? Nemec isn’t going play behind Hamilton and Pesce so they aren’t imo developing him properly Devils could use a 1st rounder - the Calgary pic, Savard as backup to Kovacevic. Newhook would be an upgrade over Tatar. Evans or Dvorak (retention) leave a hole for us. Barron is expendable. I’d give up any of those in a package. Get on the phone HuGo I think you would have NJ's interest if you offered Newhook, Barron & a pick. I think you would have to offer more value for a former 2 nd overall pick. Or at least some5hing that would make NJ better newhook is on pace for. 14 points and the verdict on whether Barron will become a regular NHL D man is still out …..I think you’re giving them nothing also am curious what the issue with Nemec is ? NJ traded for Kovasevic and Nemec is a healthy scratch 🤷♂️ |
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Post by HTL on Nov 5, 2024 18:53:23 GMT
Read a rumour today that MSL will quit before Christmas.
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Post by maasart on Nov 5, 2024 20:24:04 GMT
I think you would have NJ's interest if you offered Newhook, Barron & a pick. I think you would have to offer more value for a former 2 nd overall pick. Or at least some5hing that would make NJ better newhook is on pace for. 14 points and the verdict on whether Barron will become a regular NHL D man is still out …..I think you’re giving them nothing also am curious what the issue with Nemec is ? NJ traded for Kovasevic and Nemec is a healthy scratch 🤷♂️ Good points - and yeah, my original suggestion was to get the ball rolling, i assume they'd have to tweak it some how (I dont think Hughes will move Newhook just yet anyway). And you're right about Nemec. The healthy scratches seem odd when they have a lot of filler on that blue line. |
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Post by maasart on Nov 5, 2024 20:28:58 GMT
Read a rumour today that MSL will quit before Christmas. When he signed on as interim there was a question about how long-term this would be. I think he is very clearly a "family man" sort of guy so being away from his family (I believe they still live in Connecticut) would be hard under any circumstances but the previous two years it felt like we were building something special. This year we've hit a wall & things have been probably the most tense of his tenure. Does he just pack it up if things dont turn around? Possibly. I think if the team gets out of this funk - even if we're not winning, but at least competing - he stays. But if this fog continues for a couple of months i could see him leaving. |
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Post by habulator on Nov 5, 2024 20:41:13 GMT
Read a rumour today that MSL will quit before Christmas. When he signed on as interim there was a question about how long-term this would be. I think he is very clearly a "family man" sort of guy so being away from his family (I believe they still live in Connecticut) would be hard under any circumstances but the previous two years it felt like we were building something special. This year we've hit a wall & things have been probably the most tense of his tenure. Does he just pack it up if things dont turn around? Possibly. I think if the team gets out of this funk - even if we're not winning, but at least competing - he stays. But if this fog continues for a couple of months i could see him leaving. MSL doesn't strike me as a guy who would quit when the going gets tough. |
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Post by graeme on Nov 6, 2024 4:24:37 GMT
I think you would have to offer more value for a former 2 nd overall pick. Or at least some5hing that would make NJ better newhook is on pace for. 14 points and the verdict on whether Barron will become a regular NHL D man is still out …..I think you’re giving them nothing also am curious what the issue with Nemec is ? NJ traded for Kovasevic and Nemec is a healthy scratch 🤷♂️ Good points - and yeah, my original suggestion was to get the ball rolling, i assume they'd have to tweak it some how (I dont think Hughes will move Newhook just yet anyway). And you're right about Nemec. The healthy scratches seem odd when they have a lot of filler on that blue line. Unless his stock has fallen drastically, I don't even know that gets the ball rolling. I do like the thinking though.
Our problem is we can't really trade young talent at other positions for RHD since whatever we do will open up holes elsewhere. Basically we have: 1. Suzuki, Dach, Hage: effectively untouchable since we lack depth down the middle (especially those with top-six potential)
2. Caufield, Slafkovsky, Demidov: effectively untouchable since we lack depth for high-end skilled offensive players.
3. Hutson, Guhle: effectively untouchable since we also lack depth for top-four LHD (outside of Matheson).
4. Reinbacher: effectively untouchable since we have lack depth at RHD.
What we have is a logjam of potential bottom-six / bottom-pairing players (and a couple top-six longshots like Mesar and Newhook), but those don't get you much back in a trade. Mailloux probably has some value in a trade, so I could see him getting moved if the team sees the possibility of an upgrade. Matheson and Savard also likely have some good value.
Could something like Matheson + Mailloux + Calgary's pick entice them? Probably not, but I feel like they at least pick up the phone.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 6, 2024 13:16:38 GMT
We can debate whether one team needs to throw in something extra or not, but let's say the following deals are on the table for you:
Kirby Dach for Simon Nemec
Logan Mailloux and a 2nd round pick for Trevor Zegras
Do you pull the trigger on those trades? NJ wants a forward, preferably one with size, so Dach could be a fit for them. He's currently a better player than Nemec, but Nemec fills a big need for us and is a player down the depth chart for NJ. On the other side of things, Mailloux is a big RHD with offensive potential, but he's a bit further away from being an NHL regular than Nemec. Zegras has been on the outs with Anaheim for a while and isn't a perfect fit here, but has some history with Caufield and would replace Dach in the top 6. I'd be open to looking at other alternatives outside of Zegras, but I threw his name out there because we know he's been available, that the Habs have inquired about him, and that Anaheim is one team willing to take younger prospects in a trade. The premise could be similar with another team/player. Is this the type of thing Kent Hughes could/should be after to fix his D corps?
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Post by regis on Nov 6, 2024 15:04:31 GMT
👆👆
The trade suggestions above I’ll pass .
Zegras is having a horrible year ( after 12 games ) and I don’t think him coming here is going to revitalize his career
Plus he’s making $5.75 m a year 😳
And I like Dach ( even though he’s struggling. )
Nemec sounds like another project
I mean kovasevic is playing over him 🤷♂️
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Post by claremont on Nov 6, 2024 15:29:58 GMT
We can debate whether one team needs to throw in something extra or not, but let's say the following deals are on the table for you: Kirby Dach for Simon Nemec Logan Mailloux and a 2nd round pick for Trevor Zegras Do you pull the trigger on those trades? NJ wants a forward, preferably one with size, so Dach could be a fit for them. He's currently a better player than Nemec, but Nemec fills a big need for us and is a player down the depth chart for NJ. On the other side of things, Mailloux is a big RHD with offensive potential, but he's a bit further away from being an NHL regular than Nemec. Zegras has been on the outs with Anaheim for a while and isn't a perfect fit here, but has some history with Caufield and would replace Dach in the top 6. I'd be open to looking at other alternatives outside of Zegras, but I threw his name out there because we know he's been available, that the Habs have inquired about him, and that Anaheim is one team willing to take younger prospects in a trade. The premise could be similar with another team/player. Is this the type of thing Kent Hughes could/should be after to fix his D corps? I would not be opposed to the Kirby Dach for Simon Nemec. Nemec has upside potential but the Devils have seen something in him that obviously causes some concern. They are committed to Hamilton and Pesce on their right side. They even have the diminutive Seamus Casey as RHD support in the AHL. If I am Jersey, I make that deal knowing that Dach is under RFA control. Not sure much more is needed to add to that. I don't pull the trigger on the Zegras deal. He just plays small like Newhook and a finesse game. I am not certain he adds much more skill at 5 on 5 - Might help on the PP but that's about it. I just don't give up on a Mailloux for that fear of Sergachev for Drouin part deux. FWIW David Jiricek of Columbus is in a similar situation to Nemec - He's not playing either. Columbus seems to want their players to grow more in the AHL. Columbus has tons of cap room, unlikely to be a contender and can patiently wait unless he has another outburst distraction on lack of playing opportunities. I just don't see much of a trade perspective in terms of matching our need to some Columbus wants. |
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 6, 2024 18:02:30 GMT
^^ Again, Zegras just an example of an available player we had interest in to replace Dach. If you make the Dach for Nemec trade, what is the plan for the top 6 to compensate? NJ wants a top 6 forward with size. We're not giving up Slafkovsky. So if the proposal was to try and finesse Nemec out, I'm not sure I see a great solution other than giving up Dach.
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Post by regis on Nov 6, 2024 20:11:03 GMT
Sometimes the best trade is no trade .
Anyways I don’t see NJ trading him , in mid season , because we’re struggling .
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 6, 2024 20:16:32 GMT
Sometimes the best trade is no trade . Anyways I don’t see NJ trading him , in mid season , because we’re struggling . The reason we're discussing Nemec is because NJ could be a fit, it's not strictly about accommodating us. NJ has a wealth of RHD but reportedly wants to add a top 6 forward with size. So it would make sense for them to think about trading a RHD for a forward. I have no idea if they would actually deal Nemec. But there is some sense to why they might want to. |
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Post by maasart on Nov 6, 2024 20:32:37 GMT
We can debate whether one team needs to throw in something extra or not, but let's say the following deals are on the table for you: Kirby Dach for Simon Nemec Logan Mailloux and a 2nd round pick for Trevor Zegras Do you pull the trigger on those trades? NJ wants a forward, preferably one with size, so Dach could be a fit for them. He's currently a better player than Nemec, but Nemec fills a big need for us and is a player down the depth chart for NJ. On the other side of things, Mailloux is a big RHD with offensive potential, but he's a bit further away from being an NHL regular than Nemec. Zegras has been on the outs with Anaheim for a while and isn't a perfect fit here, but has some history with Caufield and would replace Dach in the top 6. I'd be open to looking at other alternatives outside of Zegras, but I threw his name out there because we know he's been available, that the Habs have inquired about him, and that Anaheim is one team willing to take younger prospects in a trade. The premise could be similar with another team/player. Is this the type of thing Kent Hughes could/should be after to fix his D corps? Id do Mauilloux & 2nd for Zegras since i think TZ has a higher ceiling than LM although we'd need to add two more RHD then & Id balk at the Dach for Nemec swap. its a fair deal but i think Dach is already worth more than Nemec and I think he's going to break out very soon. The problem we have is that you can trade your left hand for your right foot but you still need both. If we could *add* Zegras and Nemec without losing Dach & Mailloux, that would be ideal but its obviously not possible (unless we're willing to give up Demidov, Reinbacher, Roy, our 1sts etc etc) I really wish guys like Gallagher and Anderson and Dvo had some value. Thats our big problem. The only vet we have that acutally could fetch us something is likely Matheson. You might be able to get Nemec in a 3 way swap with Matheson going the other way. |
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Post by regis on Nov 7, 2024 17:47:57 GMT
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Post by HTL on Nov 7, 2024 20:16:25 GMT
Seventh round picks are absolutely useless so may as well not even consider those. I'd do DVO for Robertson straight up if that were even possible but i suspect they would want more. Kampf,,,,,pass.
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