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Post by claremont on Nov 7, 2023 15:15:20 GMT
Washington Capitals center Nicklas Backstrom is taking a leave of absence from the team because of what he called an “ongoing injury situation” after a slow start to the season on his artificial left hip. Capitals GM: Nicklas Backstrom is 'unlikely' to return this season. Patrick Kane had the exact same surgery - hope the leafs call on him - buyer beware
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Post by claremont on Nov 7, 2023 19:36:18 GMT
www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2736584/oilers-place-struggling-campbell-on-waiversGM Holland has to admit he made a UFA evaluation mistake. Can only bury $1.15M in the minors. A few implications for the habs 1) Perhaps makes one of our 3 goalies more marketable as the oilers need a capable starter 2) Could there be a 3 way trade whereby the Oilers take dead cap hit salary retention on campbell for $2.5M, trade campbell to another team and that team takes a 25% contract dead cap hit on Campbell for this year and 3 years out., and that team offloads Campbell for $1.25M to some other team? This could be a very expensive proposition for the Oilers to give up a draft pick plus prospect etc. I've always liked Dylan Holloway (who has yet to hit his stride), Xavier Bourgault or RHD Beau Akey or even their 1st round pick.
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Post by electron58 on Nov 8, 2023 7:18:52 GMT
Winless San Jose Sharks drop eleventh in a row. 10-2 to Pittsburg Penguins. Second game in a row they've given up 10 goals. Sharks finally win with a 2-1 score over Philadelphia.
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Post by ChiLla on Nov 8, 2023 10:47:06 GMT
Man, that Huberdeau contract really doesn't look good right now... and I doubt it'll age well. The entire team's struggling and it's clearly not his fault alone, but you pay a guy north of $10M per season because you're banking on production and hoping that he can carry the team. Not sure Huberdeau will be that guy in Calgary.
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Post by claremont on Nov 8, 2023 11:12:23 GMT
Man, that Huberdeau contract really doesn't look good right now... and I doubt it'll age well. The entire team's struggling and it's clearly not his fault alone, but you pay a guy north of $10M per season because you're banking on production and hoping that he can carry the team. Not sure Huberdeau will be that guy in Calgary. was a great signing by the leafs GM Treliving. ( he says with dripping sarcasm!) He took a big swing and seems to have missed. Granted Tkachuk didn’t want to play long term in Calgary but one has to think he really struck out on that deal, and could have done better. Giving an 8 year deal to someone at age 24 is a heck of a difference vs giving it to someone at age 29. Similarly I expect the 7 year deal to Nazem Kadri at age 32 will be another boat anchor that will sink the Flames into the abyss. GM’s on their last legs can make some good arguments to save their jobs and handcuff their teams with bad deals. Thankfully we are starting to escape Bergevins desperate moves except for Armia and Gallagher deals (don’t expect Gallys contract to age well but he is currently playing ok at present though overpriced for a 3rd liner).
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 8, 2023 12:54:06 GMT
Man, that Huberdeau contract really doesn't look good right now... and I doubt it'll age well. The entire team's struggling and it's clearly not his fault alone, but you pay a guy north of $10M per season because you're banking on production and hoping that he can carry the team. Not sure Huberdeau will be that guy in Calgary. Man, that Huberdeau contract really doesn't look good right now... and I doubt it'll age well. The entire team's struggling and it's clearly not his fault alone, but you pay a guy north of $10M per season because you're banking on production and hoping that he can carry the team. Not sure Huberdeau will be that guy in Calgary. was a great signing by the leafs GM Treliving. ( he says with dripping sarcasm!) He took a big swing and seems to have missed. Granted Tkachuk didn’t want to play long term in Calgary but one has to think he really struck out on that deal, and could have done better. Giving an 8 year deal to someone at age 24 is a heck of a difference vs giving it to someone at age 29. Similarly I expect the 7 year deal to Nazem Kadri at age 32 will be another boat anchor that will sink the Flames into the abyss. GM’s on their last legs can make some good arguments to save their jobs and handcuff their teams with bad deals. Thankfully we are starting to escape Bergevins desperate moves except for Armia and Gallagher deals (don’t expect Gallys contract to age well but he is currently playing ok at present though overpriced for a 3rd liner).
Under the circumstances where Gaudreau moved on and Tkachuk wanted out, trading for Huberdeau and Weegar wasn't a terrible move. They were both good players at the time. The problem was that Treliving believed the Flames could still be a contender and signed them both well into age brackets where most players drop off. So the contracts were bad and the decline in play was going to happen eventually. I did not think Huberdeau would be a 100-point man regularly but I did think he would be a 60-70 point man in Calgary for the first couple of years. I still believe he could do that elsewhere, but that contract is largely untradeable unless the Flames take back a similar deal.
Likewise in Edmonton, people are talking about the Oilers trading for another goalie like Allen or Mrazek, but Campbell is still saddling them for over 4M a year for the next 4 years even if he's buried in the minors. Terrible contract. A team like the Habs hopes to be competitive in a year or two and can't reasonably agree to take on that contract. If it were for a year or two more, then you could make an argument for taking that on for compensation. But no reasonable GM would agree to take that contract off Holland's hands. If taking on Marleau's contract for one year was worth a 1st rounder and taking on Monahan's was worth a 1st rounder, well Campbell's cap hit is in the same range and it would therefore be reasonable to ask the Oilers for the equivalent of 3 first rounders just to absorb Campbell's deal in addition to whatever return you ask for in exchange for Allen. To me, that Campbell contract is unmoveable and worse than Gallagher's at present. For that reason, it's hard to see Allen moving to Edmonton, as they just don't have mid-range contracts that expire this year to be able to trade back. Moving Monty there is a more reasonable proposition given his 1M cap hit.
It is very clear that signing older players to longterm deals in free agency (or as renewals) is a bad idea 90% of the time. When the player and their agent have the leverage, the deals almost never work out. Signing UFAs to 1-2 year deals is reasonable. Signing your own younger guys to longterm deals is a good plan most of the time (why I'm happy the Habs locked up CC and Suzuki and should do the same with Guhle in all likelihood). But the Gallagher deal is bad. The Anderson and Matheson deals need to be moved out ASAP before those players fall off a cliff. And it's also why I'd be hesitant to lock Monahan up longterm, despite how well he's played for us thus far.
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Post by jenniferrocket on Nov 8, 2023 13:19:15 GMT
Man, that Huberdeau contract really doesn't look good right now... and I doubt it'll age well. The entire team's struggling and it's clearly not his fault alone, but you pay a guy north of $10M per season because you're banking on production and hoping that he can carry the team. Not sure Huberdeau will be that guy in Calgary. was a great signing by the leafs GM Treliving. ( he says with dripping sarcasm!) He took a big swing and seems to have missed. Granted Tkachuk didn’t want to play long term in Calgary but one has to think he really struck out on that deal, and could have done better. Giving an 8 year deal to someone at age 24 is a heck of a difference vs giving it to someone at age 29. Similarly I expect the 7 year deal to Nazem Kadri at age 32 will be another boat anchor that will sink the Flames into the abyss. GM’s on their last legs can make some good arguments to save their jobs and handcuff their teams with bad deals. Thankfully we are starting to escape Bergevins desperate moves except for Armia and Gallagher deals (don’t expect Gallys contract to age well but he is currently playing ok at present though overpriced for a 3rd liner). Love that we have an upcoming Calgary first rounder!
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Post by ChiLla on Nov 8, 2023 13:20:11 GMT
was a great signing by the leafs GM Treliving. ( he says with dripping sarcasm!) He took a big swing and seems to have missed. Granted Tkachuk didn’t want to play long term in Calgary but one has to think he really struck out on that deal, and could have done better. Giving an 8 year deal to someone at age 24 is a heck of a difference vs giving it to someone at age 29. Similarly I expect the 7 year deal to Nazem Kadri at age 32 will be another boat anchor that will sink the Flames into the abyss. GM’s on their last legs can make some good arguments to save their jobs and handcuff their teams with bad deals. Thankfully we are starting to escape Bergevins desperate moves except for Armia and Gallagher deals (don’t expect Gallys contract to age well but he is currently playing ok at present though overpriced for a 3rd liner). No kidding, I'm glad he's taking good care of the Leafs now As you say, Treliving was handcuffed by the Gaudreau/Tkachuk situation though and it was a tough call at the time. I'm not sure he could have done much better to be honest, those kind of deals are difficult to pull off and at the time I thought he did reasonably well. In hindsight, I did overrate Huberdeau though. I fully expected him to be a consistent PPG player, maybe not a consistent 100-point guy but much better nonetheless.
Good point with Kadri, I totally forgot about him. That's a lot of money locked up long-term on non-elite players well into their 30s... Calgary's in trouble for sure and they'll need to re-sign Lindholm after this season and Hanifin the year after.
Under the circumstances where Gaudreau moved on and Tkachuk wanted out, trading for Huberdeau and Weegar wasn't a terrible move. They were both good players at the time. The problem was that Treliving believed the Flames could still be a contender and signed them both well into age brackets where most players drop off. So the contracts were bad and the decline in play was going to happen eventually. I did not think Huberdeau would be a 100-point man regularly but I did think he would be a 60-70 point man in Calgary for the first couple of years. I still believe he could do that elsewhere, but that contract is largely untradeable unless the Flames take back a similar deal. Yeah, I remember some forum members discussing the deal back on the old boards and I was fine with the move as well. I was actually surprised by the haul they got all things considered, based on the assumption that Huberdeau would be a much better producer than he has been of course. You're right, maybe Calgary just isn't a good fit, but that contract is going to be really tough to ship out.
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Post by claremont on Nov 8, 2023 14:21:43 GMT
Man, that Huberdeau contract really doesn't look good right now... and I doubt it'll age well. The entire team's struggling and it's clearly not his fault alone, but you pay a guy north of $10M per season because you're banking on production and hoping that he can carry the team. Not sure Huberdeau will be that guy in Calgary. was a great signing by the leafs GM Treliving. ( he says with dripping sarcasm!) He took a big swing and seems to have missed. Granted Tkachuk didn’t want to play long term in Calgary but one has to think he really struck out on that deal, and could have done better. Giving an 8 year deal to someone at age 24 is a heck of a difference vs giving it to someone at age 29. Similarly I expect the 7 year deal to Nazem Kadri at age 32 will be another boat anchor that will sink the Flames into the abyss. GM’s on their last legs can make some good arguments to save their jobs and handcuff their teams with bad deals. Thankfully we are starting to escape Bergevins desperate moves except for Armia and Gallagher deals (don’t expect Gallys contract to age well but he is currently playing ok at present though overpriced for a 3rd liner).
Under the circumstances where Gaudreau moved on and Tkachuk wanted out, trading for Huberdeau and Weegar wasn't a terrible move. They were both good players at the time. The problem was that Treliving believed the Flames could still be a contender and signed them both well into age brackets where most players drop off. So the contracts were bad and the decline in play was going to happen eventually. I did not think Huberdeau would be a 100-point man regularly but I did think he would be a 60-70 point man in Calgary for the first couple of years. I still believe he could do that elsewhere, but that contract is largely untradeable unless the Flames take back a similar deal.
Likewise in Edmonton, people are talking about the Oilers trading for another goalie like Allen or Mrazek, but Campbell is still saddling them for over 4M a year for the next 4 years even if he's buried in the minors. Terrible contract. A team like the Habs hopes to be competitive in a year or two and can't reasonably agree to take on that contract. If it were for a year or two more, then you could make an argument for taking that on for compensation. But no reasonable GM would agree to take that contract off Holland's hands. If taking on Marleau's contract for one year was worth a 1st rounder and taking on Monahan's was worth a 1st rounder, well Campbell's cap hit is in the same range and it would therefore be reasonable to ask the Oilers for the equivalent of 3 first rounders just to absorb Campbell's deal in addition to whatever return you ask for in exchange for Allen. To me, that Campbell contract is unmoveable and worse than Gallagher's at present. For that reason, it's hard to see Allen moving to Edmonton, as they just don't have mid-range contracts that expire this year to be able to trade back. Moving Monty there is a more reasonable proposition given his 1M cap hit.
It is very clear that signing older players to longterm deals in free agency (or as renewals) is a bad idea 90% of the time. When the player and their agent have the leverage, the deals almost never work out. Signing UFAs to 1-2 year deals is reasonable. Signing your own younger guys to longterm deals is a good plan most of the time (why I'm happy the Habs locked up CC and Suzuki and should do the same with Guhle in all likelihood). But the Gallagher deal is bad. The Anderson and Matheson deals need to be moved out ASAP before those players fall off a cliff. And it's also why I'd be hesitant to lock Monahan up longterm, despite how well he's played for us thus far.
What do you do if you are edmonton's Holland? He is wasting away the talent of McDavid (who may have come back too soon re the winter classic and may not be 100%). You've gone top heavy on forwards, and even on D with Nurse and Eckholm? You are carrying a 21 man roster while you wait for a contract on James Hamblin, and only have about $750K of cap room if Campbell goes down ($1.15M relief less Pickard's 775K of incoming cap hit plus the current $375K of cap room). Drop a forward or replace Pickard with another G or both for a 20 man roster - (12F, 6D, 2G) and you have $1.625 - $2.4M of cap room. That doesn't buy you much of a marquis goalie. In short, Holland is banking a turnaround on Pickard and/or Skinner in the next few games, or he is going to be fired, especially if the Oilers playoff chances continue to be grim. Who takes on Campbell at even 50% retention of salary by Edmonton (the dead cap hit only gives another 1.85M of cap room vs the minors hit), for this year plus 3 more? His marketable assets are Evan Bouchard - $3.9M of cap room, his first round pick, or possibly prospects Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Xavier Bourgault or Beau akey. If I am HuGo, I would entertain some sort of deal if and only if it involved Evan Bouchard who is under RFA and contract protection for a couple of years. Would I give up Allen plus Barron or Kovacevic - yes (probably not enough so even add a 3rd round pick). Would I take on 50% of Campbell and give up Allen and give Barron or Kovacevic for Bouchard - yes.
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 8, 2023 15:07:51 GMT
Under the circumstances where Gaudreau moved on and Tkachuk wanted out, trading for Huberdeau and Weegar wasn't a terrible move. They were both good players at the time. The problem was that Treliving believed the Flames could still be a contender and signed them both well into age brackets where most players drop off. So the contracts were bad and the decline in play was going to happen eventually. I did not think Huberdeau would be a 100-point man regularly but I did think he would be a 60-70 point man in Calgary for the first couple of years. I still believe he could do that elsewhere, but that contract is largely untradeable unless the Flames take back a similar deal. Likewise in Edmonton, people are talking about the Oilers trading for another goalie like Allen or Mrazek, but Campbell is still saddling them for over 4M a year for the next 4 years even if he's buried in the minors. Terrible contract. A team like the Habs hopes to be competitive in a year or two and can't reasonably agree to take on that contract. If it were for a year or two more, then you could make an argument for taking that on for compensation. But no reasonable GM would agree to take that contract off Holland's hands. If taking on Marleau's contract for one year was worth a 1st rounder and taking on Monahan's was worth a 1st rounder, well Campbell's cap hit is in the same range and it would therefore be reasonable to ask the Oilers for the equivalent of 3 first rounders just to absorb Campbell's deal in addition to whatever return you ask for in exchange for Allen. To me, that Campbell contract is unmoveable and worse than Gallagher's at present. For that reason, it's hard to see Allen moving to Edmonton, as they just don't have mid-range contracts that expire this year to be able to trade back. Moving Monty there is a more reasonable proposition given his 1M cap hit.
It is very clear that signing older players to longterm deals in free agency (or as renewals) is a bad idea 90% of the time. When the player and their agent have the leverage, the deals almost never work out. Signing UFAs to 1-2 year deals is reasonable. Signing your own younger guys to longterm deals is a good plan most of the time (why I'm happy the Habs locked up CC and Suzuki and should do the same with Guhle in all likelihood). But the Gallagher deal is bad. The Anderson and Matheson deals need to be moved out ASAP before those players fall off a cliff. And it's also why I'd be hesitant to lock Monahan up longterm, despite how well he's played for us thus far.
What do you do if you are edmonton's Holland? He is wasting away the talent of McDavid (who may have come back too soon re the winter classic and may not be 100%). You've gone top heavy on forwards, and even on D with Nurse and Eckholm? You are carrying a 21 man roster while you wait for a contract on James Hamblin, and only have about $750K of cap room if Campbell goes down ($1.15M relief less Pickard's 775K of incoming cap hit plus the current $375K of cap room). Drop a forward or replace Pickard with another G or both for a 20 man roster - (12F, 6D, 2G) and you have $1.625 - $2.4M of cap room. That doesn't buy you much of a marquis goalie. In short, Holland is banking a turnaround on Pickard and/or Skinner in the next few games, or he is going to be fired, especially if the Oilers playoff chances continue to be grim. Who takes on Campbell at even 50% retention of salary by Edmonton (the dead cap hit only gives another 1.85M of cap room vs the minors hit), for this year plus 3 more? His marketable assets are Evan Bouchard - $3.9M of cap room, his first round pick, or possibly prospects Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Xavier Bourgault or Beau akey. If I am HuGo, I would entertain some sort of deal if and only if it involved Evan Bouchard who is under RFA and contract protection for a couple of years. Would I give up Allen plus Barron or Kovacevic - yes (probably not enough so even add a 3rd round pick). Would I take on 50% of Campbell and give up Allen and give Barron or Kovacevic for Bouchard - yes. Edmonton needs to try and win now. There's no point in wasting McDavid's window. Their D is probably fine as is with a top 3 of Nurse, Ekholm, Bouchard. Could they be better? Sure. But it's adequate. I don't think they have the luxury of moving out Bouchard though, and if anything they could benefit from another 2nd-pairing D man. But what they need is an upgrade in goal. They also have all their money tied up in a small number of players, so it's hard for them to move players out. As noted, I don't think moving a D man helps them. Ultimately, they would have to move out one of Hyman, Kane, or RNH, and of those players, I think the one who makes the most sense for Edmonton to move is Kane. If they can make a trade that brings back a cheaper winger along with a #1 goalie, that would be the ideal for them.
So what are some of the options I could see for them:
- John Gibson from Anaheim... a true #1 who might perform better on a better roster than Anaheim
- Juuse Saros from Nashville... would Nashville trade a top 10 goalie in the league knowing they have Askarov on the backburner? Depends on whether they're willing to admit they don't have a window actively. But it could bring them back a nice haul.
- Carter Hart from Philly... could be a #1 as well and Philly doesn't seem attached to him with a new GM in place.
- Semyon Varlamov to be a 1b type of guy (does that really help Edmonton?) - Jake Allen or Sam Montembeault from us
Of those, Gibson, Hart, and one of the Habs goalies probably make the most sense, and Monty is by far the cheapest option. I think he's the guy I'd target if I were Holland. The other guys could be better but it's no guarantee, and if you're not getting Saros, you likely want the guy who has a shot at being a #1 without breaking the bank. As a reminder, Darcy Kuemper brought back a 1st, a 3rd, and a top prospect. Monty doesn't have the same pedigree, but the Oilers are in a real bind here, so there's room for Hughes to take advantage of that, and as noted, they aren't getting anyone else without having to send back a Kane, a Campbell, or at least a Foegele, and that would cost Edmonton more to do. So I think asking for one of Akey, Holloway, or Bourgault + a 1st is not unreasonable. Maybe we build a bigger deal and include Savard. But I think that could be the framework for making something work.
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Post by claremont on Nov 8, 2023 16:05:20 GMT
What do you do if you are edmonton's Holland? He is wasting away the talent of McDavid (who may have come back too soon re the winter classic and may not be 100%). You've gone top heavy on forwards, and even on D with Nurse and Eckholm? You are carrying a 21 man roster while you wait for a contract on James Hamblin, and only have about $750K of cap room if Campbell goes down ($1.15M relief less Pickard's 775K of incoming cap hit plus the current $375K of cap room). Drop a forward or replace Pickard with another G or both for a 20 man roster - (12F, 6D, 2G) and you have $1.625 - $2.4M of cap room. That doesn't buy you much of a marquis goalie. In short, Holland is banking a turnaround on Pickard and/or Skinner in the next few games, or he is going to be fired, especially if the Oilers playoff chances continue to be grim. Who takes on Campbell at even 50% retention of salary by Edmonton (the dead cap hit only gives another 1.85M of cap room vs the minors hit), for this year plus 3 more? His marketable assets are Evan Bouchard - $3.9M of cap room, his first round pick, or possibly prospects Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Xavier Bourgault or Beau akey. If I am HuGo, I would entertain some sort of deal if and only if it involved Evan Bouchard who is under RFA and contract protection for a couple of years. Would I give up Allen plus Barron or Kovacevic - yes (probably not enough so even add a 3rd round pick). Would I take on 50% of Campbell and give up Allen and give Barron or Kovacevic for Bouchard - yes. Edmonton needs to try and win now. There's no point in wasting McDavid's window. Their D is probably fine as is with a top 3 of Nurse, Ekholm, Bouchard. Could they be better? Sure. But it's adequate. I don't think they have the luxury of moving out Bouchard though, and if anything they could benefit from another 2nd-pairing D man. But what they need is an upgrade in goal. They also have all their money tied up in a small number of players, so it's hard for them to move players out. As noted, I don't think moving a D man helps them. Ultimately, they would have to move out one of Hyman, Kane, or RNH, and of those players, I think the one who makes the most sense for Edmonton to move is Kane. If they can make a trade that brings back a cheaper winger along with a #1 goalie, that would be the ideal for them.
So what are some of the options I could see for them:
- John Gibson from Anaheim... a true #1 who might perform better on a better roster than Anaheim
- Juuse Saros from Nashville... would Nashville trade a top 10 goalie in the league knowing they have Askarov on the backburner? Depends on whether they're willing to admit they don't have a window actively. But it could bring them back a nice haul.
- Carter Hart from Philly... could be a #1 as well and Philly doesn't seem attached to him with a new GM in place.
- Semyon Varlamov to be a 1b type of guy (does that really help Edmonton?) - Jake Allen or Sam Montembeault from us
Of those, Gibson, Hart, and one of the Habs goalies probably make the most sense, and Monty is by far the cheapest option. I think he's the guy I'd target if I were Holland. The other guys could be better but it's no guarantee, and if you're not getting Saros, you likely want the guy who has a shot at being a #1 without breaking the bank. As a reminder, Darcy Kuemper brought back a 1st, a 3rd, and a top prospect. Monty doesn't have the same pedigree, but the Oilers are in a real bind here, so there's room for Hughes to take advantage of that, and as noted, they aren't getting anyone else without having to send back a Kane, a Campbell, or at least a Foegele, and that would cost Edmonton more to do. So I think asking for one of Akey, Holloway, or Bourgault + a 1st is not unreasonable. Maybe we build a bigger deal and include Savard. But I think that could be the framework for making something work.
But here's the rub on moving forwards or defense, as money in and money out scenario for anyone of those bigger hit cap goalies to work (ignoring Monty). Moving Kane - 16 team NTC so maybe one of those target goalie teams is on his list. By all reports Kane has turned his life around from his bad history risk. He seems to like it in Edmonton has performed to expectations but he will be 33 in August with 2 years to go at $5.125M. Not so attractive to rebuilding teams of Anaheim, Philly, Nashville. Varlamov as a goalie is OUT of the equation - he has a full NTC Zach Hyman or RNH - they have FULL No movement clauses for this year - they are not waiving them to go anywhere and no team wants to inherit NMC's. Foegele ? He's a journeyman winger - dime a dozen and for me he does not move the needle. So I will comeback and say if Holland has to move money for cap absorption, it's likely on defense with Bouchard or picks and prospects but cap room has to win out. Darnell Nurse has a full NMC. Ekholm - will be 34 in May with another 2 years at $6M - I don't see him as an attractive asset to those teams you mentioned. Thank you for the discussion input and apologies if this appears to harshly rain on your perspectives - just being factual and realistic
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Post by BigTed3 on Nov 8, 2023 17:57:22 GMT
Edmonton needs to try and win now. There's no point in wasting McDavid's window. Their D is probably fine as is with a top 3 of Nurse, Ekholm, Bouchard. Could they be better? Sure. But it's adequate. I don't think they have the luxury of moving out Bouchard though, and if anything they could benefit from another 2nd-pairing D man. But what they need is an upgrade in goal. They also have all their money tied up in a small number of players, so it's hard for them to move players out. As noted, I don't think moving a D man helps them. Ultimately, they would have to move out one of Hyman, Kane, or RNH, and of those players, I think the one who makes the most sense for Edmonton to move is Kane. If they can make a trade that brings back a cheaper winger along with a #1 goalie, that would be the ideal for them.
So what are some of the options I could see for them: - John Gibson from Anaheim... a true #1 who might perform better on a better roster than Anaheim
- Juuse Saros from Nashville... would Nashville trade a top 10 goalie in the league knowing they have Askarov on the backburner? Depends on whether they're willing to admit they don't have a window actively. But it could bring them back a nice haul.
- Carter Hart from Philly... could be a #1 as well and Philly doesn't seem attached to him with a new GM in place.
- Semyon Varlamov to be a 1b type of guy (does that really help Edmonton?) - Jake Allen or Sam Montembeault from us Of those, Gibson, Hart, and one of the Habs goalies probably make the most sense, and Monty is by far the cheapest option. I think he's the guy I'd target if I were Holland. The other guys could be better but it's no guarantee, and if you're not getting Saros, you likely want the guy who has a shot at being a #1 without breaking the bank. As a reminder, Darcy Kuemper brought back a 1st, a 3rd, and a top prospect. Monty doesn't have the same pedigree, but the Oilers are in a real bind here, so there's room for Hughes to take advantage of that, and as noted, they aren't getting anyone else without having to send back a Kane, a Campbell, or at least a Foegele, and that would cost Edmonton more to do. So I think asking for one of Akey, Holloway, or Bourgault + a 1st is not unreasonable. Maybe we build a bigger deal and include Savard. But I think that could be the framework for making something work.
But here's the rub on moving forwards or defense, as money in and money out scenario for anyone of those bigger hit cap goalies to work (ignoring Monty). Moving Kane - 16 team NTC so maybe one of those target goalie teams is on his list. By all reports Kane has turned his life around from his bad history risk. He seems to like it in Edmonton has performed to expectations but he will be 33 in August with 2 years to go at $5.125M. Not so attractive to rebuilding teams of Anaheim, Philly, Nashville. Varlamov as a goalie is OUT of the equation - he has a full NTC Zach Hyman or RNH - they have FULL No movement clauses for this year - they are not waiving them to go anywhere and no team wants to inherit NMC's. Foegele ? He's a journeyman winger - dime a dozen and for me he does not move the needle. So I will comeback and say if Holland has to move money for cap absorption, it's likely on defense with Bouchard or picks and prospects but cap room has to win out. Darnell Nurse has a full NMC. Ekholm - will be 34 in May with another 2 years at $6M - I don't see him as an attractive asset to those teams you mentioned. Thank you for the discussion input and apologies if this appears to harshly rain on your perspectives - just being factual and realistic Sure, the NTCs could get in the way, but plenty of players waive those when they feel unwanted where they are. In Kane's case, I don't think a team like Philly or Anaheim would necessarily balk at that contract, as long as they get paid for taking it on. I think it's friendlier than Campbell's. But Kane is still a useful player, it's not as longterm a commitment, and he could be moved in a year or two to another team for a return. So a team like Philly or Anaheim that has little to no aspirations of making the post-season in the next two years might be okay with using cap space on him to get an asset back in return. Both teams have relatively new GMs who are going to build things up from the ground slowly. So a trade of Kane + a 1st + a prospect for Hart, for example, could work for both teams... Edm gets a #1 goalie and some cap space and Phi gets two useful assets and a filler in Kane who they could flip for another asset in the future.
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Post by maasart on Nov 8, 2023 18:32:59 GMT
Winless San Jose Sharks drop eleventh in a row. 10-2 to Pittsburg Penguins. Second game in a row they've given up 10 goals. Sharks finally win with a 2-1 score over Philadelphia. They look like they are in the lead for Cellebrini. I wonder, if they nab him, if they'd consider moving Will Smith. Hertl is late 20s but he's signed for 6 or 7 more years... Probably a pipe dream but this is the sort of centre depth Hughes should be looking at if we cant draft a high end centre next summer.
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Post by regis on Nov 9, 2023 0:18:12 GMT
Minnesota wild acquire zach bogisian from Tampa for a 2025. 7 th round draft pick
Minnesota sent Calen addison to San Jose for Adam Raska and a 2026. 5 th round pick
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Post by RCAF48 on Nov 9, 2023 3:42:58 GMT
Shane Wright received an emergency call up to the Seattle Kraken due to Jordan Eberle receiving a deep skate cut at practice. Wright has 4G/2A in 7 games with Coachella in the AHL
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Post by electron58 on Nov 9, 2023 10:06:09 GMT
The Pittsburgh Penguins have placed forward Andreas Johnsson on unconditional waivers for the purpose of terminating his contract.
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Post by regis on Nov 9, 2023 20:08:15 GMT
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Post by kinot3 on Nov 10, 2023 4:30:36 GMT
What? He can't afford an Uber?
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Post by regis on Nov 10, 2023 11:01:51 GMT
😂🤦♂️🤣🤦♂️😂🤦♂️🤣
San Jose beat Edmonton last night 3 - 2
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Post by HTL on Nov 10, 2023 12:32:19 GMT
😂🤦♂️🤣🤦♂️😂🤦♂️🤣 San Jose beat Edmonton last night 3 - 2 Oiler team sure looks like they've quit on their coach. I hear Babcock is available.
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